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Re: Apple Vision

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I really worry that if AR/VR like Apple Vision takes off, we are going to find ourselves even more alone, isolated, and depressed than ever, separated from the physical humanity we all evolved to live in. Putting a screen between everything is the theme of so many dystopian movies I don't even know where to start. I mean, I get it. I really, really do. But, man, is this healthy, really?

I don't agree with his comment, but he does address it:

In other words, there is actually a reason to hope that Meta might win: it seems like we could all do with more connectedness, and less isolation with incredible immersive experiences to dull the pain of loneliness. One wonders, though, if Meta is in fact fighting Apple not just on hardware, but on the overall trend of society; to put it another way, bullishness about the Vision Pro may in fact be a function of being bearish about our capability to meaningfully connect.

Re: Apple Vision

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Skepticism is not doomerism— and in fact should be praised. Multiple companies have tried and failed. Their marketing demos looked just as compelling. Sure, we will find out. Eventually. In over a year when it launches. But until then, why should we trust companies who’s best interest is not to give us the truth on what their product is but rather the best possible vision for what it will be? So far every single iter…

When you say something IS going to fail, then it is doomerism which isn't hard to find. Also expressing skepticism on some forum is nothing praiseworthy, only reviews matter or just trying it yourself at the Apple store once available.

> When you say something IS going to fail

Who, exactly in this comment thread your comment is part of, said that? Press parent up to the top, at most it's skepticism based on past experience.

Re: Apple Vision

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post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So it wont be awkward, as it will just appear to be glasses on your head that we've not found awkward in the last several hundred years. That’s what Google Glass tried and it flopped anyway. People also found a camera on glasses (like the Google Glass version) to be highly creepy. Apple emphasized that the front of these glasses will clearly indicate when someone’s taking a photo or video (to the subjects who’re se…

We are in a much different world then when google glass showed up. People taking pictures, videos, streaming is now much more commonplace. There was near no external indicator of taking a picture on google glass. I also dont forsee this device being used outside often at first. Google glass also flopped for many other reasons, it being uncomfortable, awkward, and abandoned quickly being some.

That controversy is an interesting thing to reflect on. I remember it seemed very concerning at the time, but now I feel that much the bigger privacy concern is not being recorded in third person in public by strangers, but platform owners recording what I see and do with the headset. Tracking my eyes to know what I pay attention to. Etc.

Re: Apple Vision

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> It’s going to seem pretty weird when dad is wearing a headset as his daughter blows out birthday candles; perhaps this problem will be fixed by a separate line of standalone cameras that capture photos in the Apple Immersive Video Format, which is another way to say that this is a bit of a chicken-and-egg problem.

It makes me think about the article's earlier reference to the iPad's launch:

> Jobs went on to list a number of things he thought the iPad might be better at, including web browsing, email, viewing photos, watching videos, listening to music, playing games, and reading eBooks.

You know what else the iPad is good at? Perhaps having a wide enough frame, while in landscape mode, such that multiple back-side cameras can be far enough apart to get as good a depth-of-field as the Vision has? And, potentially, at being a preview device with good enough eye tracking (perhaps via multiple front-side cameras) to at least mimic the 3D effect when previewing, before you put Vision on for the full experience?

Dad holding up this kind of "iPad Vision," or putting an iPad Vision that's capturing the memories on an (automatically swiveling and face-tracking) "TRiPod," is far superior to putting on the goggles!

(Apple, please please hire me as your product naming visionary. I have many more punny names where these come from.)

But I can see why Apple would sequence the releases so that Vision comes first; the iPad Vision and TRiPod and accoutrements are likely to be expensive and perhaps even clunky at first, more akin to a pro camera rig than anything previously released, and would need to be justified by a "magical" viewing experience.

Make no mistake, though - Vision is just the beginning of an ecosystem that will be built around these experiences, and one that I think can complement our in-person interactions in a profoundly social and human way.

Re: Apple Vision

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post #341

I really worry that if AR/VR like Apple Vision takes off, we are going to find ourselves even more alone, isolated, and depressed than ever, separated from the physical humanity we all evolved to live in. Putting a screen between everything is the theme of so many dystopian movies I don't even know where to start. I mean, I get it. I really, really do. But, man, is this healthy, really?

It's not healthy. It's not healthy because as devices and software improves people who are in isolation use it as a further form of isolation. It's easier to escape into technology than it is to go out and interact with real humans. Life is messy, it's hard but it's entirely rewarding and what we need. But everything we've now come to know in the past three decades has taken us in a different direction. The technolog…

>Getting back to true reality

I agree and disagree with this at the same time. Does true reality mean tossing ourselves out in the plains of Africa with a stick fighting off wild animals? I mean ever since that point human intelligence has been on a divergent path from animal intelligence. We create fields and towns and societies that subject us to new realities. Why is one particularly different from another?

At the same time individual divergent realities means society stops existing. What will society look like if we have our own individual universes we can occupy? If you want to take this to an extreme, one could imagine a matrix we voluntarily hook ourselves up to where the machines are left to care for the physical world.

Re: Apple Vision

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say something IS going to fail, then it is doomerism which isn't hard to find. Also expressing skepticism on some forum is nothing praiseworthy, only reviews matter or just trying it yourself at the Apple store once available.

> When you say something IS going to fail Who, exactly in this comment thread your comment is part of, said that? Press parent up to the top, at most it's skepticism based on past experience.

One of these... Yes let me scroll down and copy and paste a comment just for you. If you are actually interested, you put in the effort yourself, otherwise we both move on.

Re: Apple Vision

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So... what's the killer app for this thing? Best I can tell it's a status symbol for a particular type of computer nerd. But blather about the Apple "Vision" has replaced blather about GPT based chatbots on HN, so I am thankful for that. But I am not being facetious when I say that I don't see any application for the technology that justifies the $3500 price tag. But I'm more than willing to be educated. Is BMW going…

>Apple "Vision" has replaced blather about GPT based chatbots on HN

Heh, this is where you're making a mistake... GPT agents + generated worlds + Apple Vision will be the blather in another year where people go into simulated realities to check out.

Re: Apple Vision

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curious how typing on a keyboard will work don't recall seeing that on the presentation.. also 2hrs battery, on a flight can you carry those... inconvenient (impractical?)

A possible nice thing about it being an external battery is that (presuming they will sell them individually) you can carry more than one.

Re: Apple Vision

#419

So... what's the killer app for this thing? Best I can tell it's a status symbol for a particular type of computer nerd. But blather about the Apple "Vision" has replaced blather about GPT based chatbots on HN, so I am thankful for that. But I am not being facetious when I say that I don't see any application for the technology that justifies the $3500 price tag. But I'm more than willing to be educated. Is BMW going…

The power in the headset makes it sound like it replaces your laptop.

So for $3,500 I get a new laptop plus a 100 inch screen. To buy those separately would be far more than $3,500.

In my case I plan to buy it on day one because I want it for working. I'm tired of having to choose enjoying the nice weather outside while using a tiny 15 inch laptop screen or being inside at my desk with my 3 32" screens.

With Apple Vision, I can have my 3 32" screen outside. Or on the road. Or in the office when I drop in for a day. Or anywhere else I may go. It will be a huge boost in productivity and definitely worth the price.

That is the killer feature for me -- portability of my most productive setup.

Re: Apple Vision

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Throughout all this, I'm struck by the epic credibility of Apple. Any other company would have seen a much larger share price slump after making an announcement like this, but Apple managed to pull it off with only a slight dip. This is truly a super power and may very well be enough for them to achieve breakaway network effects.
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