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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by Grazester »

inferiorhuman wrote: post #231
speedgoose wrote: post #224

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It’s true. Luxury cars using brand new technology are less reliable that cheap and simple cars with old fashioned technologies. The first Tesla model S were particularly not very reliable. Lot of equipments, new vertical integration from Tesla on many parts, unreliable premium technology such as air suspension… The model 3 and y are a bit better. The electric (not hybrid) BMW i3 from the same period has been one of t…

I've a 20 year old BMW that's never given me any grief with the air suspension. Air suspension is not new technology and it wasn't new when my car was built.

Well, I have a relative that bought an x5 used. The vehicle was about 10 years old at the time and in good condition. In the precessing months the airbags fail(both rear I think). He lives in a country where parts are easy to come by for BMW's it's a mostly Japanese car market there. I had to ship him the airbags. He sold the thing right after installing them. I expected the airbags to be more expensive though.

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

neuronic wrote: post #339
oblio wrote: post #295

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1. Source? 2. Toyota is behind. Check what the Chinese and Germans are doing. Though you can't really do that since most of those cars aren't sold in the US.

German here. Cars are one hallmark of our economy. We are behind as well. The Chinese are absolutely crushing it in Asia and Middle East now. Volkswagen had a market share of ICE cars of ~20%, for EVs it's now closer to 1%. EVs are way easier to build and a lot of Chinese companies are doing it successfully. They are offering cheaper EVs. They are selling in Mideast/Asia and now start to enter Europe as well. None of…

Indeed, even premium German cars suck at basic stuff. For example, their HMI is super slow to boot and Porsche still won't allow more than 3 region updates per year over WiFi, because reasons. Even Porsche dealers don't know why.[1]

Porsche can afford to give their customers Dacia levels of digitalization because they're premium sports cars that sell anyway, but the Asians are coming after the other German brands and will steamroll them if they don't start getting their act together.

[1] https://youtu.be/yHuJysr5hk4?t=415

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Post by underwater »

tshaddox wrote: post #311
PuffinBlue wrote: post #301

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Don’t know if it’s available in the US, but we’re similar to you in wanting a lower priced second car and we’re buying an MG4. They’re pretty reasonably priced here in the UK.

I have read dozens of articles, buying guides, and reviews of electric and hybrid cars, and I’ve never even heard of that make, so I’m guessing it’s not available in the US.

MG is a Chinese brand reusing the branding of the old British version of MG.

Over the last half a decade they've become the fifth biggest brand in Australia ahead of Mitsubishi and Hyundai.

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Post by inferiorhuman »

speedgoose wrote: post #394
inferiorhuman wrote: post #391

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In twenty years the air bags (and potentially the pump side fittings) have been replaced once. That's about on par with a conventional coil spring suspension and pretty typical for an E39. Coil springs sag, rust, and break over time (especially in areas where the roads are salted). If Tesla can't make a reliable air suspension that seems more like a Tesla problem.

From your sample size of N=1, it seems that BMW cannot either.

Aside from Tesla=good, BMW=bad, how do you figure? Replacing a spring, whether steel or air, is normal for older cars especially those that come from harsh environments. My car in particular was older than any Tesla S is today when the air bags were replaced. The pump and electronics are still original.

Any Tesla that's had problems with its air suspension got a shorter service life than I (and plenty of other E39 owners) did. Besides Tesla's struggles with their conventional suspension components are well documented in a series of non-OTA recalls.

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Post by Fradow »

mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

From what I understood on a previous thread that talked about EV owners wanting to go back to gas cars, the main reason Tesla owners like their EVs more than other brand owners is not based on the actual vehicle, but due to ease of charging because of the supercharger network and other Tesla features to dispel range anxiety.

That in itself is a good reason to buy a Tesla right now (it may evolve in just a few years in the future): it's the one with the best charging experience. Considering how much hassle a bad charging experience can be, I imagine this has an influence on sales figures.

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Post by dagw »

svorakang wrote: post #294
killjoywashere wrote: post #235

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Meh, my wife was grooving for a Polestar so I rented a Polestar 1 for a weekend and we both came away feeling like it was good to rent because we definitely didn’t want to buy it. It was like the Swedes put all their effort into the material design and gave no shits about the UX. The UX was something Ford would have been proud of in 2009.

PS1 was a low volume car, almost concept level. The UX of PS2, a large volume car, is much better and generally very well received.

Also the PS1 isn't an EV, it's a hybrid.

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Post by laratied »

paganel wrote: post #385
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #171

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> I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future. Purchase price, you've already touched on. You can't even get a USED Tesla for under $20K. The second problem is charging. Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers.

> Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers. That's the trick, people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward. As a live in an apartment myself I wasn't aware of that fact at the beginning, I kept asking myself: "how am I supposed to charge my car if I'm living on the 8th floor?". Turns out I was looking at the whole thing through the wrong lenses. What's really per…

Let them eat cake.

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Post by gambiting »

paganel wrote: post #385
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #171

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> I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future. Purchase price, you've already touched on. You can't even get a USED Tesla for under $20K. The second problem is charging. Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers.

> Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers. That's the trick, people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward. As a live in an apartment myself I wasn't aware of that fact at the beginning, I kept asking myself: "how am I supposed to charge my car if I'm living on the 8th floor?". Turns out I was looking at the whole thing through the wrong lenses. What's really per…

>>people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward.

That's such a weird thing to say. What do you mean not supposed to own? For healthy young people - ok, fine, fair enough. How about the disabled? The old and frail? People with kids? People who drive for work? Where are the above meant to park and charge? And please don't say these usecases are going to be replaced with autonomous cars, that's complete nonsense, especially for specific usecases like disabled people who need specially adapted cars.

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Post by Fradow »

paganel wrote: post #385
Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #171

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> I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future. Purchase price, you've already touched on. You can't even get a USED Tesla for under $20K. The second problem is charging. Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers.

> Apartments generally have a lack of EV chargers. That's the trick, people living in apartments are not supposed to own and operate their own cars going forward. As a live in an apartment myself I wasn't aware of that fact at the beginning, I kept asking myself: "how am I supposed to charge my car if I'm living on the 8th floor?". Turns out I was looking at the whole thing through the wrong lenses. What's really per…

Small caveat: as an apartment dweller, the way to own and operate my own car is to rent an underground parking space, which will, in time, be retrofitted with a charging plug.

On the other hand, that's definitely more expensive than street parking and not everyone will be able to afford it, so your statement is overall correct for the majority of people.

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Post by perilunar »

youngtaff wrote: post #377
fomine3 wrote: post #327

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It's better to just compare brand-to-brand EV sales, rather than per model. Only Tesla can sell same model so much. I wonder will people finally bored with too many same Tesla running on the road, and Tesla start expanding their lineup like Volkswagen, or people accept it like iPhone (have a dressing case like iPhone?).

IMV, apart from the Model S Tesla’s are ugly cars The Y looks like an over inflated balloon (BMW, Mercedes, Mini and others have the same issue with some of their models) And the 3 just doesn’t look like anyone designed the front end — the angle of the junction between the bonnet (hood) and the windscreen is wrong, and the front grill just looks like someone forgot it needed designing

Electric cars don't need a front grill — there's no radiator. Putting a big grill on an electric car is as stupid as putting a fake horse head on a horseless carriage.

(and I quite like the look of the Tesla 3 front end.)

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