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Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by mablopoule »

badestrand wrote: post #69
kuu wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> despite Netflix investing in Spanish content They are obligated by law to create this content See: https://www.innovationmcc.com/post/spain-will-now-protect-it... > "Towards the end of 2018, European Parliament approved a law that requires all platforms that provide audiovisual content throughout the continent to have at least 30% European productions within their programming." Edit: formatting

Wow, I never heard about that and I suspect it's not well-known at all inside the EU.

It is at least well known in France that tv channels ought to produce or broadcast a minimum percentage of french show.

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Post by Gareth321 »

doubled112 wrote: post #317
ModernMech wrote: post #308

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I genuinely don't understand this sentiment in 2023. Maybe in 2003 it was reasonable, but if you have the money, just spend it to buy the content you want. I get that there's a lot of "crap" that you don't want to see, but I appreciate some of that, and I'm sure you appreciate some of what I call "crap". I don't see how you go from that situation to justifying not paying for it. There's a price for the content and it…

I don't pirate because I just can't be bothered. It's all too much work for a short temporary experience, but I do remember the promises. Streaming was going to "save us" from the big cable companies. No ads, just pay that small subscription fee and watch what you want when you want it. Now there are a dozen subscription fees, I'm getting ads anyway, and I'm not getting content I want to pay money for. Some are even…

I put far too much time into my server but now that it's up and running it requires zero input. I tell it what I want to watch and it serves it to me on a gold platter.

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Post by rurp »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #259
gcatalfamo wrote: post #24

From the comments in this thread, many are not understanding that password borrowers are typically contributing to the account owner's monthly subscription, and many account owners, when faced to the full price of the subscription will eventually unsubscribe as well. 5€ month for what Netflix has to offer is one thing, 18€/month, for many, becomes an instant no-deal.

They know who all the password sharers are. They've spent months, or even years running models to predict the fallout if they cut off password sharing. None of the actual results are going to be in any way surprising to them. So while people here think they're doing this to their own detriment, their legion of scientists have already told them the end result which is obviously not detrimental or they wouldn't be doin…

By this logic big tech companies could never make mistakes since they all have legions of data and analysts, which is just objectively not true. Collecting the right data, analyzing it well, and using that to make the right product and business decisions is non-trivial work. Some folks think that you can blindly throw big data at a problem to solve it, but that is usually not the case.

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Post by itsoktocry »

Jenk wrote: post #389
neals wrote: post #359

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Disappointment can only come from your own expectations. Good doesn't last. I like to have a mindset of using these kind of things while they work for me, until they don't, then leave and not look back. Don't get attached to commercial endeavours.

> Disappointment can only come from your own expectations. Reductionist victim blaming and, frankly, nonsense. Pessimism is not healthy. I supported their business (by paying) because I liked their operating model, and their campaign (for lack of a better word) to keep adverts out of the platform and to support "better" content. I am dissappointed that model has, apparently, failed and they are pivoting away into yet…

>Reductionist victim blaming

Victim-blaming? What exactly are you the victim of here? Netflix not having shows you like.

>Pessimism is not healthy.

Your entire post was to complain that Netflix is failing.

>I am dissappointed that model has, apparently, failed and they are pivoting away into yet another low brow, low IQ, garbage distributor

Can't get much more elitist than this, can it?

There is tons of good content on Netflix. And Orange is the New Black wasn't very good, imho.

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Post by ricardobeat »

jokoon wrote: post #410

Spotify, Netflix and co. really put a dent in the availability of illegal downloads, to a point where most users would pay to use them, but they must be careful how hard they want to squeeze people. Also it becomes difficult for users to pay for more than 1 or 2 things, monthly.

Unfortunately they put a dent on the availability of legal content too, in the past few years, by becoming producers and pushing media conglomerates off their platform. Which makes pirating an attractive proposition yet again.

Re: Netflix loses 1M users in Spain over password policing

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Post by gnicholas »

Losing 1M users is not good, but isn't the real question how many accounts they lost?

> The move was linked to a fall in users of more than a million, two thirds of whom were using someone else’s password, according to Kantar’s research, which is based on surveys of household streaming habits.

This makes it seem like they lost 333k customers. I don't know how many customers they have in Spain, but that sounds like a lot. But what does it mean to be "using someone else's password"? Does that include me, using my wife's password? I feel like more clarity is needed.

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Post by itsoktocry »

Alupis wrote: post #390
babypuncher wrote: post #374

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I think some people's expectations of Netflix were downright unrealistic. When they started streaming, the platform was paying pennies to license shows that were already in syndication. Programs that had already made their money in first runs on network TV and cable. As streaming became the de facto distribution method for new content, of course the cost of licensing that content ewas going to go up. Streaming licens…

None of which says "Make a million garbage shows and movies that nobody asked for and few actually enjoy - then raise monthly rates to bankroll these pet projects". Here's an idea - quality over quantity. Make fewer, but better shows and movies.

>Here's an idea - quality over quantity. Make fewer, but better shows and movies.

What an insight.

But how do you determine what's "high quality" and what isn't? You don't think Netflix is trying to measure that?

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Post by sosodev »

drexlspivey wrote: post #316
rootusrootus wrote: post #303

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What kind of woke crap? I don't really understand the definition, but that's because it is US identity politics and nobody wants to define it apparently. But maybe from afar you have a particular definition?

Like when you change the gender/race of literature/historical characters to hit a diversity quota or when there is a whole carousel of movies with the genre “Black History Month” which is a US thing. That kind of stuff

Characters in modern takes on historical media have always been heavily modified. Why is editing their gender or skin tone not okay?

Also, can't you just scroll past a carousel representing a genre you're not interested in? Are other carousels for things like musicals woke too?

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

Netflix has the crappiest content of all the major streaming services. The Originals all seem like they were picked by combining a random array of keywords.

They haven’t even had any major hit since Squid Game.

They need to take a leaf out of HBOs book and hire some top tier writers and give them all the freedom.

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Post by rchaud »

duxup wrote: post #283
Jenk wrote: post #79

Netflix have really dissapointed me. I've been a subscriber since before streaming, and have even been content paying the subscription fee during the "breaks" of not using their service for up to months at a time because I so badly want(ed) them to succeed. I also understood the difficult situation they were facing when the producers of content were makkng ridiculous demands on their distribution, or worse, just pull…

> trash telly It's not just Netflix. Disney+ has a bunch of National Geographic infotainment ... minus the info type shows. HBO is going to end up with Discovery Channel ... stuff. I want some way of telling them "I don't want to wade through crap..."

> I want some way of telling them "I don't want to wade through crap..."

Welcome to the infinity pool. Spotify playlists, Youtube search results, your Twitter and Facebook feed....they're all bottomless for a reason.

Netflix isn't going to be any different.

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