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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

The 8G on my wife's last Intel MacPro was definitely not enough for her light browsing and email reading, it just ground to a halt swapping browser memory. Admittedly she visited web sites with a lot of crap on them, but still.

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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> America, meanwhile, has decent native birth rate AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people. And a society that burdens people with debt causing them to work every waking moment while avoiding costly things like health care, because they might miss a day of work or become even more indebted through the cost of said health care. People just pick up opioids so they can handle the pain and keep work…

America on the internet is different from America in real life. The Americans work 34.5 hours a week. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/AWHAETP

> America on the internet is different from America in real life.

Implying I don't know America in real life, never lived there, never visited and don't know actual people there. All not being true. I have zero friends in my home country who work multiple jobs. I have multiple in the US.

> The Americans work 34.5 hours a week.

In my country it's 32. So almost 8% less. Which I'd call significant if working hours is directly correlated to productivity as a country.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Technically correct, but I doubt salaries followed the inflation, so for most of people, it's just more expensive. :/

Salary growth leads inflation in virtually all cases, and in this one too. (Realized I can still edit: reply after reply is trying to interpret this as a statement about causality, which it emphatically is not. I'm just saying that ordering is complicated in feedback systems, and that the needed salary growth to compensate for existing inflation largely already happened. This is doubly or triply true for the tech sal…

Salaries are only redistribution of current money supply. Inflation means an increased money supply and only banks can increase it, wether it's government banks, private banks, or both.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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The dollar is insanely strong right now and global Mac prices raised in accordance with that. In places that don’t use USD, prices shot up by tens of percent overnight while the US prices are the same as ever. Japan, for example, got a price increase of about 40% on all items. Unsurprisingly, sales declined.

> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

That version is something the media never mentions.

I've seen it a number of times since last summer. Perhaps you're reading the wrong media.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

Yeah my 2010 MacBook Pro 15 is also still working ok including the battery. Running Linux on it now though because Apple has given up supporting it many years ago :(

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

My Thinkpad X220 from 2011 works just fine, although I don't use it as my primary laptop anymore. Was also able to upgrade the memory from 4GB to 16GB and updated the HDD to a 1TB SSD :)

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Apart from this, if you're an enthusiast who likes to build their own PC, component prices have gone insane. A flagship GPU is 2000 dollars, and motherboards are priced so high that Gamer's Nexus decided to do a 25 minute video rant about it. The returns are diminishing, it's not worth to get a 4090 RTX with DDR5 and a compatible mobo, if for 1/3 of the price you can get 90% of the performance with a used 3090 and DD…

>motherboards are priced so high Only if you go for the really stupid RGB "gamer" motherboards sprinkled with more fairy dust than sense. Something like this ASUS Prime Z690-P[1] is reasonably priced at just north of ~$200, it even has luxuries like 2.5gig ethernet and onboard wireless. If you want a DDR5 setup, this ASUS Prime Z690-A[2] is still ~$260 with plenty of luxuries. If you can do without a top-tier chipset…

The GPUs are what kills it. I started looking into building a performant 4K@60FPS SFFPC as an upgrade to my five year old gaming PC and it easily reaches $2000+ with taxes after adding the GPU. The build I’m looking at now, without a crazy motherboard, is $2500.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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I think he was being intentionally hyperbolic, alluding to the fact that Windows' published minimum specs are way to low (like Vista) and the actual specs needed to run are much higher because the bloat.

“Way too low” isn’t really true. I have RDP and Firefox and Word and Excel open, and Windows still uses just around 4 GB of RAM according to Task Manager.

It depends on the version. In Vista, the one mentioned, they certainly were. It you ran a computer using the minimum specs, it was almost unusable.

https://www.osnews.com/story/16675/vista-minimum-requirement...

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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I somehow doubt that. Look at Cached files and subtract that number from Memory used, and tell us please that number.

FWIW, with only Chrome (several windows, multiple tabs, rebooted a few weeks ago) open I'm at: Physical Memory: 32,00 GB Memory Used: 21 GB Cached Files: 10,45 GB Swap Used: 0 GB

You can look at any number of videos demonstrating that a base model MacBook Air is more than capable of running Chrome with a few tabs open. Modern browsers (and operating systems) opportunistically use free RAM for caching.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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I was just buying a laptop for my family and the prices of MacBooks here in Europe are utterly crazy. The crappiest 8GB RAM (?!) 256SSD M2 Air model is 1650EUR. 1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. The 16GB model is rounded 2000EUR, which was before reserved for a high-end gaming laptops. It's bonkers.

1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years.

On what do you make that prediction?

My 12-year-old MacBook Air runs Safari fine. I used it just this past weekend.

I don't think an M2 is going to be unusable in 2025.

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