Live data from Hacker News

Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

techcrunch.com

411–420 of 889 posts

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#411
post #379

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile, Peter Theil is openly encouraging everybody to tell each other that SVB is sinking and to pull their money [0]. What a guy. [0] Thiel Fund, Venture Firms Advise Companies to Pull Money From SVB

Is he wrong?

He could be attempting to create a problem so he can take advantage of it.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern Islamic countries without usury manage to feed their citizens so although I would agree that banning loans would cause a lot of pain in the modern economy, I can't see how it would cause mass starvation.

Exactly, and even in those cases, it only serves to enrich certain people who intermediate the loans and to satiate reckless or impatient consumers. It's more like gambling; it appeals to and takes advantage of human nature but doesn't benefit the individual; it only benefits the house. It doesn't actually provide any true value to society.

This is nonsense. We're rich. Broadly.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#414

I don't really understand why anyone would keep more than the FDIC insured amount in a bank. Also, I'm constantly fascinated by how many smart people fundamentally don't understand the economics of banking and how these (often private) institutions create and destroy money.

SVB has billions of dollars in client funds. Once you start having cash in the millions it isn’t practical to have all of it FDIC insured.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#415
post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

so the economy grows annually at ~0.0% meaning no real value gets created because productivity basically never improves and labor participation tanks congratulations, you've taken us back to Feudalism

This is incorrect, in standard macroeconomics, credit theoretically has no effect on the long term growth rate of an economy. The only thing that grows an economy are increases in worker productivity, theoretically driven be technological advancement. See https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2015/june/what-dri... Loans are just move the money around and create “business cycles” of booms and busts. Which in my op…

I'd say that's a crude reductionist view. See https://www.jstor.org/stable/2118406 to name one paper but there's tons of research on the link between capital markets and economic growth

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#416
post #345
post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll ask then. What happens to an organism when it stops growing? It's an exponential process and there are really only 2 states except for an infinitesimally small space between.

I don't know about you, but I didn't start dying at 20.

You did. It's just taking a long time.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#417
post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mechanism is to watch the banks you have money in. A company still has to pay it's bills. To pay bills, you need some money in a bank, it's unavoidable. So, let's say you are a company with 4 banks accounts. Each has $500k in it. One of them is SVB. You probably just move the $500k into one of the other bank accounts. It's no big deal per se, but you do it. That's a run on the bank if lots of companies do the sam…

There’re always T-Bills…

Your employees don't accept t-bills as payment. Your suppliers don't accept them either. To do business, you need money in a bank account. Not all your money, but a decent chunk of money needs to be there for day to day.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#418
post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone doesn't need to know or care in many cases. The FDIC insures deposits up to $250k. That covers the vast majority of accounts at most banks. So a run won't occur at most banks. There were hardly any runs in 2008 for this reason - the relatively few "run type things" which happened were where big interbank exposures existed. SVB's customers are weighted significantly more towards businesses who will have more…

> The FDIC insures deposits up to $250k. That covers the vast majority of accounts at most banks. So a run won't occur at most banks. That's akin to saying my house won't burn down because I have insurance. Don't underestimate the stupidity of large crowds of people.

Pragmatically, the FDIC is very effective at moving things around with minimum disruption.

I still have cheques that say Washington Mutual on them; literally no disruption to my life when they started floating upside down.

Re: Bank run on Silicon Valley Bank

#419
post #252
post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those government-mandated, ultra-safe capital reserves look like they're actually the big problem that's going to bring down banks right now. Banks have stuck a bunch of their reserves in really safe, predictable, high quality long-term bonds (particularly government issued ones). Because interest rates have gone up, those bonds are now worth substantially less than they were a year or so ago, meaning that the banks'…

Interest on loans should by increase a banks reserves every year barring massive defaults. The ROI for the actual reserves aren’t particularly relevant by comparison. Similarly from a reserve standpoint they don’t need to worry about inflation as they need to pay back deposits in nominal terms not what the money is worth when withdrawn.

The parent commenter is right, and the problem is the mark-to-market rule. This means that the value of the asset must be the current trading value, which goes down as the rates go up. The result is that bank reserves will go down substantially in nominal terms, sometimes faster than they can recoup the value of these investments.
Post reply on HN