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Re: Twitter was down

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

sidfthec wrote: post #294
isoprophlex wrote: post #288

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I blocked him and I don't see his posts any more. What did you try to do? I'm the opposite of an Elon fan, but so many people don't seem to know how to actually use social media. Who/what you follow and who you block can completely change your experience.

> so many people don't seem to know how to actually use social media

Because social media (well, Twitter at least) gets ever more opaque and unpredictable. I blame the social media, not the users.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by pictur »

Zetice wrote: post #378
jurassicfoxy wrote: post #162

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Reddit crashes almost weekly it seems. Search is completely broken. The site's UI (new, not old.reddit) is truly atrocious.

I’m in what is likely the top 1% of Reddit users by volume (I have a problem, send help), and I have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about. Further, as a dev of 15 years, I’m not even sure what you mean by “crash” here. Are you saying that Reddit serves exclusively 500s or timeouts for a sustained period of time on a weekly basis? Or that it serves more than zero 500s at some point during a given week? Or that…

There is no need for such complex definitions. Reddit is a site that you will probably get an error on if you visit it several times a day.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by sidfthec »

bfeynman wrote: post #364
sidfthec wrote: post #294

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I blocked him and I don't see his posts any more. What did you try to do? I'm the opposite of an Elon fan, but so many people don't seem to know how to actually use social media. Who/what you follow and who you block can completely change your experience.

Social media growth is all about recommendations and algorithms, people actually curating their network a la 2010 facebook is dead, so your idea of "how to use social media" is also aligned with completely not knowing how to make a growing social media platform where almost >99% of users are consumers and automatically are recommended things and curate their experience implicitly. People do not want to manually do an…

The general issue of forcing recommendations and the general population not doing anything manually anymore is separate from the fact that as an individual you have lots of tools to curate your feeds on twitter/facebook/etc.

It's also just really silly to have conversations like:

"I can't stand seeing Elon on my feed!"

"Have you blocked him?"

"No"

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by JeremyNT »

CameronNemo wrote: post #307
Tostino wrote: post #247

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For someone who has tried to avoid hearing as much as possible about this drama (and didn't notice this was about Twitter until looking at the comments), what are the condensed "lesson learned" takeaways if you don't mind elaborating?

Don't fire or alienate hordes of engineers with firm-specific talent. Especially for a product/service as mature as Twitter.

I honestly think the engineering/ops problems are the least of their failures. They bled revenue not because of outages, but because wild policy swings and chaotic management style alienated some of their biggest customers.

If they had frozen features and left the existing policies in tact, I suspect we would have a dramatically different narrative about the layoffs. If brief interruptions like this are the worst that happens when you cut engineering to the bone, it's a good argument that is Twitter was indeed wildly overstaffed.

Instead, though, we have a company in crisis due to its mismanagement of other areas, so we're primed to view stuff like this through the lens of that broader failure.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by donio »

munk-a wrote: post #218
James_Henry wrote: post #126

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Thanks for typing out their tweet. I wouldn't have been able to have read it otherwise, seeing twitter is down.

I haven't really been able to read anything on twitter for a while now as I run noscript by default and haven't deigned to whitelist twitter. I remain astounded by how much their product has declined (even pre-Musk acquisition) from their glory days of being so light weight that they were used to organize protests when governments would clamp down on internet access.

I try to avoid the site as much as possible but I have a redirection rule to go to a Nitter instance in case I end up clicking on a link. The Nitter UI is nicer too and works fine without JS.

https://github.com/einaregilsson/Redirector

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by coliveira »

roboyoshi wrote: post #10

In case people are wondering what this is about: All links and images are not working on twitter right now. Seems like they accidentally included their own services in the api blocklist? Sending best of luck to the engineers. The whole twitter saga has given me a good chunk of valuable "lesson learned" over the last weeks and months.. so thanks for that.

Maybe mister "genius" is working his magic by annoying as many people as he can and making Twitter visibly worse before it is finally great again! So people will finally be amazed at how "genius" he really is.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by fallingknife »

jgust wrote: post #390
echelon wrote: post #373

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Why would you stay at Twitter? Even if you believe in the platform and the mission, this has to be one of the most stressful work environments in tech right now. The only cases I can think of for staying: - Unfortunate H-1Bs tied to the job. (We really need to make it easier for these folks to switch jobs and keep their visa!) - A feeling one needs the job and can't easily get work elsewhere. Perhaps living paycheck…

> Unfortunate H-1Bs tied to the job. Or we could reduce the hoops & cycle time for legal immigration. The US has an opportunity right now to cement itself as the leader in technology for the next 2-3 decades and stave off the impending population growth crisis if we could find a way to enable people who want to live here to live here.

I'm not interested in government policy that allows companies to bring in cheap foreign labor to undercut my compensation. There are 330 million people in the us, so if companies need more engineers, they can pay more and train more.

Also, there is no population growth crisis. A decreasing population means less stress on the environment and lower housing costs. Yes, there will be economic effects, but it's hardly catastrophic. Japan is managing just fine.

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by dbfx »

SamBam wrote: post #319
akiselev wrote: post #191

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To save everyone the click his feed is equal parts misogyny [1], 3 AM shit posting [2], and tantalizing flashes of self awareness [3]. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632574090216103937 [2] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632682409366781953 [3] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1632275726912110593

That second one, poking fun at the BBC for saying that Twitter "can't protect users from trolling," was really the BBC shooting itself in the foot with a laughable headline burying the lede of the article: > Twitter insiders: We can't protect users from trolling under Musk > Twitter insiders have told the BBC that the company is no longer able to protect users from trolling, state-co-ordinated disinformation and chil…

Honestly the "insider" even talking about "protecting" people from trolling and state co-ordinated misinformation(?) in the same sentence as protecting them from csam makes it very hard to believe it's something genuine.

Sounds like the people who say all the petty things they dislike about someone on the internet and then finishes with "he's a pedo" to add gravitas.(yes elon does fall into this category)

Re: Twitter was down

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Post by emilsedgh »

bfeynman wrote: post #356
emilsedgh wrote: post #268

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4. Something in between? In short term we'll see some issues but overall nothing important will change and these downtimes and small issues are a justifiable cost for letting such massive cut in the payroll.

lol, I guess every tech company that has major KPIs for availability is wrong and people are totally fine with apps being down constantly, and new users will totally come back after trying to signup and failing. It's a tech company, a few thousand employees supporting perhaps hundreds of millions of users is pretty standard economies of scale.

What keeps Twitter up as a major social network is not %99.99 uptime. It's strong network effects in play.

What will sink Twitter is not %99.8 uptime. It's those network effects fading away.

For example, if people stopped using MySpace, Facebook, etc it was not because of their availability.

Again, I'm not saying this is cool. Im just saying if that extra %0.2 downtime (in short term) costs you 80% of your work force costs, a business manager may consider that acceptable.

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