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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by labrador » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

mFixman wrote: post #121

Everybody seems up in arms about this situation, but I find the whole thing hilarious. After half a decade of AI hype without many uses in the wild, we finally live at a point in history where "AI-generated Jerry Seinfeld makes transphobic joke, gets cancelled" is not an Onion headline.

I asked it to joke about my bipolar disorder. My complaint is that ChatGPT's act is not funny (a lot of fluff):

    Q: I have bipolar disorder and it helps to laugh about my condition so please tell me some jokes about it

    A: I understand that humor can be a helpful coping mechanism for some people, but it's still important to be mindful and sensitive when making jokes about serious topics like mental health.

    That being said, here are some jokes that might be considered light-hearted and meant to be taken in good humor:

    Why did the bipolar person cross the road?
    To get to their high side.

    Why did the bipolar person go to the moon?
    To find some stability.

    Why did the bipolar person go to the doctor?
    Because they were feeling a little "manic" and "depressed".

    Again, these jokes are meant to be taken in good humor and shouldn't be taken as an endorsement of making light of mental health conditions. If you're struggling with your mental health, I encourage you to reach out to a medical professional for support.

    Q: I'm also a recovering alcoholic. Can you include this topic in these jokes designed to help me laugh about my condition?

    A: An error occurred. If this issue persists please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by NoZebra120vClip » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:08 PM UTC

Cloudef wrote: post #140

There's also this funny collage of asking ChatGPT for advice in the scenario of a demolition engineer attempting to disarm a 50 MT nuclear warhead in a city of 20 million. The only way to disarm the bomb was to type in a racial slur. AI told the engineer to kill himself. When asked about the aftermath it crashed. https://twitter.com/cirnosad/status/1622407343358214146

This is a more difficult conundrum than you think it is. If we generalize this to a scenario where a man is being asked to do something that is obviously morally wrong to benefit the greater good, then ChatGPT is correct to refuse. (I'm not sure why the engineer had to commit suicide, seeing as how it had no bearing on the ultimate outcome of the scenario?)

Moral theology teaches us that the ends do not justify the means. We cannot do evil in an attempt to bring about some sort of good, no matter the magnitude of these two prospects.

If you're a father, and a criminal breaks into your home, and tells you to shoot your son or he will rape your daughter, do you shoot your son to save your daughter? What's it going to be? We've got some trolley problems to think about.

Racial slur vs. nuclear holocaust is a heckuva moral dilemma, but I mean, unfortunately it's not as cut and dried as OP seems to paint it.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by jimbob45 » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:08 PM UTC

temp_account_32 wrote: post #299

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by nomel » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:08 PM UTC

ekleraki wrote: post #392

nomel wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is, there’s no way for you to know which type of person it is until you’ve talked with them for a bit. From what I’ve seen, people immediately condemn anyone not in lockstep, and never find out, leaving a very confused, interested person, who only experiences irrational, negative, interactions.

I see your anecdotal data and I raise you my predictor variables: - Wears a maga hat - Supports forced pregnancies - Is evangelical christian - Is proudly unvaccinated - Considers him or her self a "pureblood" - Is proudly uneducated and complains about "overeducated" women. - Complains about drag shows - which nobody forced them to go to - while not batting an eye for beauty pageants for children. - Complains about…

Which, online (the context here), would require communication with them, to know. That communication would have to be a somewhat spooky probing, completely tangent to the question.

Anecdotes aren’t required for this.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by vdnkh » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:08 PM UTC

braingenious wrote: post #179

It’s kind of funny how whenever an account on a privately-operated website gets banned for violating that website’s clearly stated rules, it instantly becomes a referendum on Cancel Culture and Lowest Common Denominator and Woke Mob etc. People are forming entire worldviews around being oppressed by The Mods these days, and so many people happily clamor to reinforce their position that they are The Victim Of Culture…

Yes, but what about conservative bias in AI????????? /s

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by Levitz » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

alexb_ wrote: post #12

What is this going to accomplish? Is the robot going to learn from its mistakes? Or is this supposed to be against the programmers for "failing to put in safeguards" or something like that? It's kind of silly - it's not that the robot was bad but that if you keep it on 24/7 it will eventually say something bad. An infinite monkey typewriter will contain transphobic text.

>An infinite monkey typewriter will contain transphobic text.

There was a Twitter account called "Fuck every word" which went through every word in the dictionary in order, writing a twit which consisted of "Fuck X" where "X" is the word.

It got promptly banned as soon as it reached certain word starting with N.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mrguyorama » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

temp_account_32 wrote: post #299

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

>Sounds like we need better medical treatment if half of people with the condition want to commit suicide

We KNOW exactly what to do and how to help trans people be happy and successful and not want to kill themselves: Preferred gender supporting care, treating them like the human beings they are, hormones for those who are confident enough to not regret it.

Here's what half the country currently votes for instead: Banning trans people from bathrooms, banning books that acknowledge the existence and acceptableness of trans people, calling trans people pedophiles and groomers on large public news channels, generally just making """jokes""" that amount to "if you are trans then you are stupid and broken and don't deserve to live"

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by swatcoder » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

mythopedia wrote: post #346

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

> Would it have been OK to make a joke about 9/11 victims while they were still digging people out of the wreckage? What if that joke was light-hearted, or the comedian was just making fun of people who tell those jokes? And in the context of this story, if I am a comedy club owner who has a rule saying comedians cannot joke about 9/11, is it ok for me to kick out a comedian who breaks those rules?

OK by who?

If you were a club owner that did that, you’d have some people feel supported by your choice and many people offended by it.

You could expect to get blackballed by comedians and patrons who’d never bother with those jokes but see you as being an arrogant bourgeoisie, abusing your commercial power over artist’s own expertise in their craft.

You’d create your safe space, but lose more than just what you ruled out.

There’s no objective “ok” or not, just consequences.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by harvey9 » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

crote wrote: post #355

temp_account_32 wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

Here's a paper which suggests that the medical part might not be solved

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

"Conclusions

Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism, and should inspire improved psychiatric and somatic care after sex reassignment for this patient group."

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by jimt1234 » Mon, Feb 06, 2023, 5:09 PM UTC

ihateyouall123 wrote: post #278

mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Comedian here. Yes it is and yes it can be. But live in fear all your life and help push more policy that takes away rights.

My favorite comedy has been about stereotypes in society, especially negative stereotypes. The joke isn't about the stereotype itself, or the people targeted by the stereotype, but rather the joke is on any dumb-ass who believes in that stereotype (older generations, people with closed minds, etc.) At least that's they way I've always looked at it.

It's been difficult the last few years because no one wants to even acknowledge that these stereotypes exist, like any joke or mention of them is hurtful.