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Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by lostmsu »

nobody9999 wrote: post #387
mfer wrote: post #361

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First, let me say that I'm not attempting to give my own opinion on the direction that folks should go in. I'm most interested in bringing awareness as to what's going on so we can have deeper understanding and discussion. With the school his is from, look at what their vision isn't. It's not to create well educated people who can excel at their jobs. Their vision isn't to create people who are self sustaining adults…

>Their vision is to get people civically engaged around certain forms of change. >The specific forms of change are not agreed to as a culture in the US. This is an area where we don't have good in depth thoughtful conversations, either. That's not what you initially said, nor do I understand how "civic engagement" is ever a bad thing. In fact, we need lots more of it. You are applying ("The specific forms of change a…

> you don't come right out and say what you mean, rather than using inference and innuendo: You don't like what other folks want, so you want to ban it, or at least discredit those you believe disagree with you

> Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

The parent comment quite right out says the problem is prioritization. I'd rather see "critical thinking, first order logic and math" in place of "civic engagement". You say yourself "you should never, metaphorically (and literally) speaking, hand someone a gun unless you know where they're going to point it". In my view, inducing "civic engagement" is "giving a gun", and teaching "where ... to point it" is math.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by notch656c »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #405
notch656c wrote: post #125

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It's to make sure you can't be re-licensed in a profession, like teaching. Anywhere.

A felony also prevents you from doing a great many things, like finding any job or renting or most anything. We have built a society that punishes conviction for life, long after the punishment has been served. Add to that we’ve been making more and more misdemeanors felonies, we are producing a society of misery. These people are just cruel and self serving. They are scoring points by being more and more radical and…

Well America needs an underclass. Now that blacks (on paper) have equal rights we have to make somebody the cheap exploited underlings.

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Post by slowmovintarget »

alasdair_ wrote: post #339
kjghkjghkjgh wrote: post #320

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Richer people vote Republican while poorer vote Democrat [1]. Being "educated" doesn't mean what you think it means [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/exit-polls EDIT: Since I can't reply the the threads below me, "education" can't just be had in the classroom. In fact as an experienced developer almost all of my education was outside the classroom. I suspect this is the case for most fields. EDIT 2:…

Older people vote Republican. Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.

> Older people tend to have accumulated more wealth than those just starting out.

Which has been true since the dawn of value exchange. That's part of why the outcry against "inequality" citing differences in income between a 20-year veteran of some career versus a new entrant in the market are so tough to swallow.

Wait twenty years... they'll be the same... Unless we change the rules to take it all away from everyone.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by kthejoker2 »

This has nothing to do with schools, or gender conformity, or obscenity, or teacher shortages.

This is a political stunt, a troll post. It's purposely vague and ill-defined to create a vacuum upon which people with strong opinions can file in from the extremes ("don't say gay", "you're supporting pornography", "you're a groomer", "you're a fascist".)

But what it mostly is is a classic culture war distraction from the real underlying structural issues with America today: economic and social inequality, the weaponization of politics, and the simply mindboggling amount of graft and corporate interference into our legal and political systems.

As a divisive tactic that limits people's attention to much more pressing matters, it's cheap at twice the price.

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Post by Maursault »

kjghkjghkjgh wrote: post #303
Maursault wrote: post #272

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> Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation This isn't new. Florida teacher shortage has existed for a long time. It's because Florida doesn't pay their teachers. This isn't likely to change anytime soon because Republicans have had a stranglehold on Florida since 1999, and they are notoriously anti-education.

Florida has a booming economy. Maybe they want to preserve that over becoming "educated" like San Francisco?

> Maybe they want to preserve that

Florida would have a booming economy if the governor's office and state administration was entirely staffed with armadillos. Florida's economy and low taxes are fueled by tourism, and since tourism is unlikely to go anywhere, neither is the booming economy, which has boomed through every administration, Republican or Democrat, since the end of WWII. There is nothing the fascist Santos administration could possibly do to either hurt or help Florida's economy, no matter how deeply he indulges his narcissism.

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Post by epicureanideal »

mrguyorama wrote: post #397
epicureanideal wrote: post #265

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I am not familiar with them being well known for lies or fraud. Showing actual video seems like a way to avoid that. The videos seem to speak for themselves. Even if taken out of context it looks reaaaally bad.

They are on the record as faking these videos before, as in, scripting and making them up.

Can you link some sources please, ideally from neutral organizations?

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by Maursault »

ElfinTrousers wrote: post #309
Maursault wrote: post #272

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> Florida already has the worst teacher shortage in the nation This isn't new. Florida teacher shortage has existed for a long time. It's because Florida doesn't pay their teachers. This isn't likely to change anytime soon because Republicans have had a stranglehold on Florida since 1999, and they are notoriously anti-education.

It's almost as if they're looking ahead to the next generation and reckoning that educated people are less likely to vote Republican.

When 99% of the Republican Party membership is voting against their personal economic interests in order to keep the other 1% rich, you really have to wonder what education they have had, if any.

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Post by epicureanideal »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #400
epicureanideal wrote: post #99

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People shouldn’t need to take their kids out of school to avoid ideological indoctrination.

I mean, schooling children at all is ideological: it's literally built on the ideology that we should have an educated populace. I'm really confused by this statement.

Indoctrinating children with views that their parents would object to is not the proper purpose of public education. The vast majority of parents are happy for their children to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, and so on. Specific political views, or that people with their skin color inherited historical evil, is something else entirely.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by mikrotikker »

mfer wrote: post #115

Context as to what's happening in US schools... This highlights part of the growing movement and disagreement around culture shaping through kids. To highlight this, if you take a look at school of educations mission statement[1] > Through commitment to innovation, social justice, excellence in teaching and research, and partnerships, the School of Teacher Education will position itself as a national leader in shapin…

That book Gender Queer is terrible though. A seriously mentally ill person who suffered horrible abuse from her parents should not be writing such vile content with such pornographic imagery for children. How it ever got approved as a children's book is beyond me.

It is however a great tool for parents to see how utterly disturbed the books the schools are giving their kids are, and if they're smart pull them into homeschooling.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by mikrotikker »

jterrys wrote: post #104
jackson1442 wrote: post #2

One of the requirements for book approval: > Appropriate for the grade level and age group for which the materials are used or made available If I was in grade school when this happened, this would have hampered my ability to learn. I was generally reading above the standard level and loved reading in class. Reading this post just makes me sad. Kids aren't getting the same opportunities I got to nurture my curiosity.

I 100% guarantee you that this has nothing to do with smart kids like you being unable to read big brain books but rather intentionally vague and loose language being used to curtail what the school administration and parents consider morally objectionable material.

I consider the "Gender Queer" book morally objectionable for children.

Go read it and tell me you don't either.

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