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Post by cma »

nicoburns wrote: post #334
objclxt wrote: post #294

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> They were behind the state of the art (of laptop/desktop chip performance) with their A series chips starting with the A4 ...but A series chips were never intended for laptops or desktops? And by all accounts, the A series nearly always out-competed comparable QC Snapdragon chips.

They weren't... but evidence is that that's only because they didn't have competitive performance for those applications. Once the performance caught up they did choose to put them in laptops and desktops.

A chips had more relaxed memory ordering that couldn't work well for emulating x64. M chips can toggle the memory ordering guarantees.

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Post by foxandmouse »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #295

And the laptop comes with a one year warranty. Extending the warranty means pretty much another laptop’s price from other OEMs. RAM still 8GB in many base models (not sure if that’s so in all the lines) and then there’s this thing how easy to repair these are. I wish my laptop buying strategy was like everybody else’s — Shiny new toy, just get it! :)

An extended warranty is 300cad for 3 years and 100/year after that. I think that is more than reasonable for the best product-service available. I would be a lot less comfortable using such an expensive device if the service wasn't so comprehensive.

AppleCare is one of my favourite "features" that comes with every apple product.

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Post by csdvrx »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #378
csdvrx wrote: post #56

That's when I realize how much my weird hardware preferences set me apart: I mostly care about an OLED screen and ECC ram. Then, a touchscreen supporting pen entry, and a good keyboard (with the edit keys like home/insert/pageup/pagedown directly accessible, bonus is there's also printscreen) especially if it's not a foldable or a tablet. Apple's got good CPU and battery life, but unless the core features are present…

fanapples going to bite. but its a legit view point.

Yeah I was a bit sad to see the rain of downvotes, but 1) I did expect that, even if HN may be better that other websites 2) it's against the rules to complain

So I take it on the chin and I laugh all the way to my sofa with my ECC OLED 4K dual NVME "wonderful keyboard" thinkpad in my hands :)

Different people like different things. If they're happy to get a Macbook Pro with a M2 Pro, I'm happy for them too!

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Post by darkstar999 »

lwhalen wrote: post #366

What is up with the gigantic notch? Deal-killer for me, personally. My Intel MBP works just fine so long as I disable Intel TurboBoost.

I never notice it. It's usually dead space of the menu bar. I agree that it is a strange design, but I don't think it should be a deal killer for anyone.

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Post by IntelMiner »

wiremine wrote: post #385
optymizer wrote: post #153

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The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

> The software experience is getting worse imo EVERY OS release will have some issues, and the people who are most impacted are the ones who chime in. If it "just works" for someone, they aren't going to chime in. This is true of Mac, Windows, Linux, etc. I'd be curious to see a quantitative pre-release breakdown by OS and version. That might be more useful than individual anecdotes, as interesting as those are.

Okay, sure. Fine. Humans write software and humans make mistakes

*However* Apple specifically only targets a very small subset of devices. The amount of obvious bugs that slip through in every release upgrade against such a small handful of devices from a company as big as Apple is pretty disappointing

Windows has to run on the overwhelming majority of "weird" x86 devices on the planet. The amount of work they have to put in with their hardware partners is comparatively staggering

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Post by NegativeLatency »

optymizer wrote: post #153
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

The hardware is indeed great. The software experience is getting worse imo, particularly when upgrading. It used to be rock solid for me. The m1 worked without any issues for 2 months. I upgraded yesterday to macOS Ventura: * Upgrade finished but laptop froze. Hard reset. * On first boot, the new System Settings failed to load icons, then froze. Trying to quit it froze the OS. Hard reset. * I left the laptop plugged…

> plugged in for 12 hours, connected to 2 other displays

Going back to the early osx versions there’s have been weird problems when upgrading with peripherals and stuff plugged in

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Post by zedpm »

FollowingTheDao wrote: post #389
mk89 wrote: post #241

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I totally agree with you. They are diversifying their laptop/desktop solutions like crazy. Even a Macbook Air can almost compete with the entry-level version of the Macbook Pro, which is great to be honest. I heard they are exceptionally good. Honestly, 7-900$ for a machine that will not get old very soon is not so bad, especially if you already own a screen (which due to WFH you kind of have to have together with a…

"that will not get old very soon" No idea how you can write that with straight fingers.

I’m still using a 2015 MacBook Pro, and it doesn’t feel slow. I’ve done no repairs or maintenance on it in all that time.

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Post by jclardy »

superkuh wrote: post #231
dchuk wrote: post #14

It’s crazy how far ahead Apple is getting in the laptop game with these new chips. I have the first gen MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro (ok maybe they’re not winning the naming game), and it’s a perfect computer. Battery life is literally all day, every single action is instant, I have zero regard for many apps or tabs I have open. It’s just perfect. I have literally traveled with just a 30 watt anker brick for my phone…

Things may be great on the high end of Apple's M1/M2 laptops given they actually have enough ram for simple tasks. But those are also insanely expensive. At the low end Apple is actively ripping off users providing computers which can't even edit photos. My father, a long time apple user, decided to get an Apple M1 to replace his old Apple macbook. He bought the M1 8GB model (without consulting me). Turns out that th…

To me this sounds like issues on the Adobe side. I worked for 6 months on an M1 iMac with 8GB ram - it ran Xcode, iOS Sim, figma, slack, safari, terminal, calendar and zoom simultaneously for work on a large iOS app with zero issues. I used it because it was faster than using my i9 MBP 16” with 32GB of RAM - the MBP would be blasting its fans constantly with the same workload.

Now I’m on an M2 Air and I don’t see myself needing to upgrade in the next 2-3 years.

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Post by eropple »

Lio wrote: post #248
eropple wrote: post #136

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They're not even that expensive as tools go, either. My Festool Domino was $1200. It makes one particular hole in a piece of wood. It's very, very good at it--but it doesn't replace my tablesaw ($600) or my bandsaw ($700) or my tracksaw ($400) or my drill/driver ($300) or my jointer ($600) or my planer ($900) or my drill press ($500) or or or--and I did not buy particular spendy variants of any of those, except the D…

That's an interesting example. Festool are definitely premium equipment. I (try to) buy quality tools but I can't really justify Festool for my bodgy DIY attempts. I can barely justify the Bosch Professional tools I tend to buy instead. My friend, an actual professional who fitted our kitchen, exclusively uses Festool. He can definitely justify it and swears by it. He says it's quicker and the tools suck up more dust…

I only bought a Festool Domino because there's literally no other tool that does that. It's amazing; the thing is like cheating for panels or for trim. Everything else is a mix-and-match. My tracksaw is a Makita (uses the same rails as a Festool, feels fine, isn't Quite As Nice). My shop battery tools are DeWalt, my house battery tools are Skil 12V (which are really nice for the price, even if they're not as small as other 12V brands). My tablesaw is a Delta (also sold as a Ridgid). Though I've thought a lot about going to Festool for a hand sander, mine are...Bosch. ;)

I do agree with your friend about dust collection though, which is why I use the tools I do use. Dust is the absolute worst, and it is worth spending money to solve that problem IMO. The thing about Festool (and also Fein)is that it's good at solving those problems portably, and in that light they're not that expensive. If you aren't a contractor and don't need to bring your entire work life around in a Systainer stack though, something like my 1.5HP Harbor Freight dust collector and a simple dust cyclone can get you very far by themselves. (They are, however, loud.)

I've also gotten into 3D printing I've been building better dust accessories for my other stuff. (For example I've got a set of 4" dust couplers in development that are a WIP but are noticeably better than any of the options I have found online for a reasonable price and that work in a home shop without ducting.)

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