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Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by xp84 »

thayne wrote: post #358
xp84 wrote: post #270

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Are you implying that advertising is the only viable business model? I really hope you're wrong, if so. Ads have corrupted and made worse everything they've touched online. I would really like to see a new generation of services that aren't ad-based. Personally it seems weird to me that people assume things like search and email must be completely "free with ads," while nobody expects anything in the offline world to…

> Why couldn't ad-free gmail and search be a $20 addon to your internet plan? A lot of ISPs include email. and it is usually terrible.

Sure, but it’s not because of the lack of ads, but rather because they know virtually nobody uses it. I was imagining paid Gmail, but Internet “with Gmail(tm)” being a bundle they would advertise, like when DirecTV offered TiVo. Or when you can buy HBO through Amazon Prime.

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Post by ekianjo »

xp84 wrote: post #270
ekianjo wrote: post #262

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> I suggest giving Kagi a try Does not have a sound business model. Let's not waste time on something that is not viable.

Are you implying that advertising is the only viable business model? I really hope you're wrong, if so. Ads have corrupted and made worse everything they've touched online. I would really like to see a new generation of services that aren't ad-based. Personally it seems weird to me that people assume things like search and email must be completely "free with ads," while nobody expects anything in the offline world to…

> Are you implying that advertising is the only viable business model?

No. does not mean that Kagi's current business model is viable either. Strawman much?

Re: ChatGPT won’t replace search engines any time soon

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Post by ekianjo »

freediver wrote: post #266
ekianjo wrote: post #262

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> I suggest giving Kagi a try Does not have a sound business model. Let's not waste time on something that is not viable.

Care to expand on that?

They license search results from other search engines, and other search engines have the ability to increase their fees anytime they want to make Kagi suffocate if needed. It's not sustainable.

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Post by wizofaus »

andsoitis wrote: post #180
ranting-moth wrote: post #144

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Interesting. aboutmechanics.com is not in my top 10 results. But even aboutmechanics is wrong, it's not coil spring. It's torsion spring.

My understanding is spring clamps typically use a helical spring, which is a compression spring coiled into a cylindrical shape. Other types of springs, such as leaf springs and torsion springs, may also be used in some spring clamps, depending on the specific design and intended use of the clamp. In your first post you also equated tension and torsion springs, but they’re very different from each other. The former s…

Either way, I don't know that I see it an example of ChatGPT "replacing" a search-engine: search engines never really claimed to be able to provide precise answers to detailed technical queries, they just do the best they can to find webpages that might contain information relating to your query. But I suspect it won't be long at all before Google/Bing et al will be able to give you answers to such questions at least as good as ChatGPT where up-to-date/live info isn't involved. At some point they'll stop calling themselves "Search engines" and just be a single entry point for any query you might have, regardless of where the information comes from.

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Post by supermatt »

t0bia_s wrote: post #378
hgomersall wrote: post #367

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I can only assume if you don't think Google knows exactly who you are, you must have much more internet hygiene than most people do.

I don't use any google product over 6 years.

You posted multiple youtube links here 1 month ago. A link to a google search 9 months ago. And thats just the stuff you felt the need to post on hackernews. Clearly you use google products.

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Post by spaceman_2020 »

agar wrote: post #409
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #339

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Any shift from monetizing search via AdWords to monetizing single-answer responses via a chatGPT-like interface is going to involve major revenue disruptions. Meta is a great example. The company is still reporting exceptional revenue results, but because Mark is forcing the company in a new direction, the stock has been crashing since there is no more guaranteed revenue growth in the near future. Zuckerberg can stil…

The assignment of blame to VR/AR for Facebook's stock drop is mostly media noise and not reality. The "metaverse" term is cringeworthy, the technology is early and easy to critique, and the tech-savvy public hates Zuckerberg. All this combines to create easy click bait about how VR is leading to Meta's problems. In reality, Apple's changes to tracking in OS 14.5 has cost Facebook at least $10B in annual revenue and -…

Meta's pivot to AR/VR is also influenced by Apple's changes. Zuck knows that if he wants to maintain growth, he needs to own a platform instead of merely renting it from Apple/Google.

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Post by t0bia_s »

supermatt wrote: post #415
t0bia_s wrote: post #378

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I don't use any google product over 6 years.

You posted multiple youtube links here 1 month ago. A link to a google search 9 months ago. And thats just the stuff you felt the need to post on hackernews. Clearly you use google products.

I dont have to be log in to watch youtube (I use FreeTube). At the end... Yeah, I use google product everyday, because of DNS.

Point was, that I refuse to use search engine that is tighten to my credit card.

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Post by wut42 »

pixl97 wrote: post #223
wut42 wrote: post #55

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I can imagine AI replacing search engines in a somewhat far future, but in the meantime, it'll mostly be used to flood the internet with many low quality articles. Consequence will be as you said, but I also wonder if it won't lower the quality of new AI trainings as well.

How long before the AI learning from itself dominates the literature people read influencing how we speak and think?

Who knows!

There's "precedents", tho. MidJourney, the art AI, trained Stable Diffusion over favorites generations of their community, making it a "fine tuned Mid-Stable Diffusion" that was quite amazing (that was the --beta and --betap flags a couple of months ago there).

It can be bad, but it can also be great.

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Post by Agraillo »

david_allison wrote: post #203
ravenstine wrote: post #181

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I know this thread is about ChatGPT, but if you're still using Google then I suggest giving Kagi a try. It's a paid search engine, but I've been using it for quite a while now and really enjoy it. With Kagi you can rank and downrank domains as well as block them. There's also this think called "lenses" which are basically filters for specific kinds of searches. For instance, I have a "Programming" lens and a "Academi…

Kagi's 'sourced' LLM is available for free currently: https://labs.kagi.com/ai/contextai

Thanks for mentioning. Interestingly, I recently tested several systems with identical questions (https://www.perplexity.ai/, https://www.phind.com (formerly beta.sayhello.so). The Kagi beta is sometimes on par, sometimes much better. Try [ what guests who are not actors were interviewed by smartless podcast ]. Most gives a mix of actors and non-actors, but Kagi's both Web+AI and AI sections provides correct answers.

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Post by PaulHoule »

mfDjB wrote: post #171

For me, Google Search just doesn't seem to be getting better over the years, if anything its getting worse. I honestly feel like its hard to get what I want half the time with all the SEO spam, most of the time I have to input "inurl:reddit.com" just to get good results. At the same time, ChatGPT has frequently impressed me, not with everything (my expectations are reasonably low) but it has performed amazing work fo…

When it comes to "ChatGPT is wrong about this one thing", a miss is as good as a mile.

The book Gödel, Escher, Bach has a set of dialogues between Achilles and the Tortoise over a record player that is an allegory for Gödel's theorem and other limits of computation. Hofstadter points out that it doesn't matter if you are doing computing with neural networks, tinker-toys, lasers, whatever.

The concept of "the truth" is problematic in many ways, in that one can make statements like "This statement is not truthful", call a social media site "Truth Social", put a label like "The Truth is out There" on the intro of the X files, etc. Being able to talk about "the truth" probably erodes our ability to know the truth.

Thus "the truth" is not something that comes in a can that you can paint onto a model, trying to close what looks like a little gap (in some ways it is a little gap) is like pushing a bubble around underneath a carpet.

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