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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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For someone invested in decentralized protocols, it just sounds like people trying to reinvent the wheel. "let’s make it decentralized" "wow, very cool idea". Those guys are business guys but they have no idea what they are talking about. They don’t know the first bit about technical decentralization, about prior art, about the politics involved. They are so close of realizing that their companies are Frankenstein mo…

God forbid someone learns business and has produced multiple successful businesses in some of the most forward looking, technical fields. That does not immediately disqualify their ability to know technical topics and if even may signal quite the opposite. This level of elitism often among the HN crowd creates an echo chamber that stifles innovation since it arbitrarily discriminates the dissemination & mixing of ide…

Welcome to the eternal september of HN, missed the beginning of HN you could have conversation even with CEOs.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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> Twitter started as a protocol. It should have never been a company. That was the original sin. Dorsey seems to have figured it out.

That’s easy for him to say after he’s become a billionaire making it a company. Can one give any actual credence to such a sentiment? I mean, Twitter is an internet version of Post-It notes. I don’t even know what he means that it started out as a “protocol”.

True, cheap talk from him now. I only meant to push back against the idea that "they are locked in their business/company/VC model and can’t get out of that", which is directly contradicted in the source we're discussing.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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And then, he returned a rocket from space and had it land vertically. Heck he's doing it consistently, and even synchronized on occasion. Musk is a flawed dude, but the physics behind space-x aren't his weak point.

He did none of that single-handedly though. Thousands, maybe millions of ours of man hours went into making all that happen. What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently. I don't care, I just don't think it's a good quality and I think longer term, it will probably lead to him having lower performing teams and people…

> What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently

I'm not sure if you're being facetious here. There are countless examples that exhibit the contrary. Here is one as recent as a few days ago:

https://youtu.be/goT5gW57Chc?t=190

Below are a few (out of many others) prior examples:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1051591623069429760

https://twitter.com/heydave7/status/1536015578091048960

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?

I wonder whether Elon supports the freedom of speech in China

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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There is no solution for fixing web communication that doesn't involve uploading your ID every time you post something. The internet was, is and always will be a cesspool. It comes with anonimity and plausible deniability.

Ironic that you write this comment on hacker news

HN has mods. Which would be considered censorship by libertarians.

Ofcourse if you get down to it everyone wants censorship to remove things they don't agree with. A very amusing/sad example is Reddit.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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He did none of that single-handedly though. Thousands, maybe millions of ours of man hours went into making all that happen. What spurred my original comment was that when I hear him talk, I think he does fail to acknowledge the people around him a little to conveniently. I don't care, I just don't think it's a good quality and I think longer term, it will probably lead to him having lower performing teams and people…

>He did none of that single-handedly though Can you name some engineering accomplishments that have been done "single-handedly" and thus qualify as real engineering?

> Can you name some engineering accomplishments that have been done "single-handedly" and thus qualify as real engineering?

I'm actually very curious on what the response to this will be.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I have to admit this is a bit surprising from Musk. I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. I note he's not agreeing strongly with Dorsey, with the strongest phrase being "I'd like to help if I can". And I still think he would be better off using any money he might have spent buying Twitter on funding a handful of open source com…

>I was pretty firmly of the theory that his real motive re Twitter was basically narcissism, and I'm still not sure that's wrong. Why is it so hard to believe that Musk genuinely believes in exactly the version of "freedom of speech" that everyone in his generation grew up with, that served as the impetus for much of the internet's creation, etc.?

Because this viewpoint isn’t consistent with his actions; he has a long history of retaliating against anyone who criticizes him, including attacking journalists and threatening them with lawsuits as well as firing employees who raise issues within his companies.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I’d encourage you to do the same. Give concrete examples.

https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200... https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20 https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk/How-did-Elon-Musk-learn-enou... Jim Keller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=4851s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3854s

I could have predicted half of those tired examples. They’re all third party anecdotes and the same ones that get passed around and regurgitated. There’s also third-party anecdotes of Elon having no idea what he’s talking about, and several first-party arguments he’s made that shows he’s a bit of a charlatan.

None of those examples you gave are concrete.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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I like your earnest request. I’ve followed mastodon for a while but have never known anyone else who uses it so didn’t get into a particular server. All the public servers didn’t really seem interesting to me. So this seemed like a problem for me as a loner as the people I actually knew weren’t going to join. Twitter, for all its flaws, is dead simple to join and start yelling.

Unless you dont have a telephone, like me. You get to sign up, then inevitably after your first tweet your account is flagged for review, requiring phone to interact further. I don't have a phone, I'm Amish, I just wanted an account to see the 4th and 5th posts in a "twitter thread" someone posted to HN and it keeps locking the screen with a signup/login modal after I scroll to the 3rd tweet in the thread. After a wh…

Are you trolling? How are you on hn if you're Amish? I mean you at least need a PC or smartphone.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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https://twitter.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1038832124747571200... https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560?s=20 https://www.quora.com/Elon-Musk/How-did-Elon-Musk-learn-enou... Jim Keller: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=4851s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb2tebYAaOA&t=3854s

There are many other examples that can be found by just doing a quick search. But it seems that some individuals even refuse to do so. They would rather stick to their strong (sometimes objectively flawed) opinions. Which is totally fine. Everyone is entitled to. It's just embarrassingly bad when they try to regurgitate it to others and continue to double down. Even when presented with irrefutable data or new informa…

That’s fine you think that, but do you have anything that isn’t the same third party anecdotes that get repeated as nauseam? At least one of those is by an extremely unreliable narrator and an Elon sycophant and one of the others by another who thinks he’s knows everything as well.
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