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YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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post #336

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It’s also about engagement and avoiding offending folks via dislikes. IMO dislikes are essential.

It's probably companies advertising their products getting salty their new movie or something got 90% downvotes and YT is all too eager to please its ad overlords.

It started when a Joe Biden speech video got disliked into oblivion. We're talking 2 million+ dislikes.

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They sell ads, not a good user experience. For them to sell user experience they'd need to have competition breathing down their necks first

Exactly what I'm getting at, well said. Rip when Vimeo being actually competitive.

Vimeo will never be effective because they've already issued a statement that they neither want to be like YouTube or host the same variety/types of content.

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Funny that youtube is basically the opposite of google's search which will often only show you results that are relevant to top/recent stories making it very difficult to get results about anything else. It doesn't even have to be that recent in some cases. Searching for "Sandy Hook Elementary" along with just about any other search term is going to give you a page with results about a shooting that took place a deca…

I use DDG now but I wish the search tools weren't just last week , last month , last year but greater than a week/month/year so I could discard more recent results. It's quite the puzzle to find ways to remove things, as using the -search-term-I-don't-want or +term-I-do-want is increasingly less reliable, in my experience.

Yeah, google pretty much ignores search modifiers these days and DDG (which I also use) routinely fails to understand what -term means. I still dream of the day we have a search engine that supports regular expressions.

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>Some might say that you can still use search At some point Youtube search was neutered. I get 5-10 results for any given query before Youtube gives up and just offers me recommendations rather than search results. Interestingly, if I search google for [search term] site:youtube.com, I actually get pages of results which are never present in the Youtube search. Sadly, it seems that Google has intentionally diminished…

Here are some uBlock Origin rules to get rid of all that crap in your search results: youtube.com##ytd-search ytd-item-section-renderer>#contents>:not(ytd-video-renderer),ytd-secondary-search-container-renderer youtube.com##ytd-search ytd-video-renderer:has(.badge:has-text(/new/i)) youtube.com##ytd-watch-next-secondary-results-renderer ytd-compact-video-renderer:has(.badge:has-text(/new/i))

You are a gentleman and a scholar!

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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Exactly what I'm getting at, well said. Rip when Vimeo being actually competitive.

Vimeo will never be effective because they've already issued a statement that they neither want to be like YouTube or host the same variety/types of content.

Oh yeah.. i wouldn't even dream of Vimeo being anything like we're talking about in the future lmao.

But there was a time where it seemed like it could be what the people deserved, even if it was just teenage optimism lol

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post #151

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I believe that uses a separate database that was seeded from scraped youtube data but now it's only updated by those who use the addon. So it would have a much smaller sample size for recent activity.

I'm not sure about this because when going through Youtube shorts I regularly see videos with +100K dislikes, and any "viral" video has dozens of thousands of dislikes. I don't think this many users installed an extension to bring back dislikes and happened to dislike these particular videos.

The extension estimates the "true" dislike count based on the like/dislikes it has in its database. E.g. if the database contains 100 dislikes and 900 likes, but the video has a million views, it'll estimate 1000 dislikes. I'm sure there's some cleverness in there for videos where it doesn't have a tonne of information yet.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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I didn’t like when they removed the dislike counts, and I still don’t like it. When I look for videos of folks working on Subarus, I don’t want to have to manually scrub through the video to gauge the quality. Before I’d just look at the ratio and if I was feeling generous I’d preview the frames to see if they had what I wanted. Now it takes me at least 2 mins longer to get to the same judgement which begs the questi…

The problem with the dislike button seems to be that nobody agrees on what it should be used for. In previous HN discussions, it's become apparent that some people use it to say "I am not interested in this video". That is of zero use to other users. The video isn't necessarily bad, it's just on a topic you don't care about. If you are instead using it to mean "this video is factually wrong" or "this video is obnoxio…

The exact same applies to the like button too but you don't see anyone removing that.

Re: YouTube’s ‘dislike’ barely works according to new study on recommendations

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This reminds me of how games ( cough LeagueOfLegends cough ) match me up with a player that I literally just reported for harassment, griefing etc. in the previous match. Like, there weren't any other possible players to match me with out of the many thousands? I don't mind waiting a few more seconds to match up with someone else! I'm getting a lot of responses as if I expect the player to be totally blocked from mat…

Dota 2 added a (paid) “avoid player” option, where the matchmaker will not match them with you no matter what. It's definitely possible. https://win.gg/news/dota-2-avoid-player-feature-improved-as-...

Great, another incentive for developers to make the game less fun until you pay up.

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post #213

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I’ve recently started using yandex lately and have say I also find it refreshing. My favourite is the image search I just find it superior to other search engines.

Better than bing image search, my current go to?

I have enjoyed bing as well but I guess I find myself naturally gravitating to yandex. They are both good imo.

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post #108

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There were players of similar (and higher) skill — but they didn’t want to play with him because he was “annoying” to play against. Which is a normal part of a competitive multiplayer game, except that people got the option to avoid him (rather than learn to beat him), so many took it!

If they were playing the game to have fun, it's an entirely rational decision to make, even if it's unfair to the good player. In fact if the developers were optimising the game for fun they should have kept the feature as it was. In my opinion it should be more important to optimise games for fun than for fairness, but I suppose the developers don't share that opinion if they changed it.

Optimizing for fun is kind of impossible, at least in the sense of making a fun but unfair game. Fun games are inherently ones where you're matched with players at your skill level, and you're actually being challenged while still getting kills. Going 30-0 is only fun for so long (and for the people who don't get tired of it, they often go and download a cheating program).
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