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The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#411
I've driven manual cars all my life.

Shifting is completely normal to me, almost like muscle memory. I know my car well enough that can match motor revs to the new gear pretty close, without having to look at the dials. The whole process is automatic - I no longer even notice doing it. I just shift when needed, without actually having to consciously think about anything...

That being said, I don't really feel nostalgic or emotionally attached to that experience. I'm not used to automatics, but I know that in an automatic car that gives you good feedback, you can still develop that same "intuition", allowing you to for example kick-down in a lower gear for overtaking.

For me personally, loosing manual transmissions is no cause for concern.

I am concerned about people becoming worse drivers, and roads becoming more dangerous, but I think that other trends contribute more to that than automatic transmissions do. Like modern SUVs providing super little feedback. You can't feel the road, you can't feel the motor, you can't feel your speed, or the cornering forces, or how much grip you have. The whole driving is experience feels floaty and detached - like playing a video game.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Okay but then why is the rolling brick wall of a modern pickup allowed?

It’s more than just about style. As much as modern pickup trucks have become a fashion statement, many large pickup trucks are providing real utility to construction, farming, etc. And much like 18 wheelers they can’t scale down the front while maintaining utility because they need large engines and high ground clearance.

> many large pickup trucks are providing real utility to construction, farming, etc.

Yes. One in 10 or maybe 20

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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It’s all in how you drive. I got 50-57 mpg in my old manual. My wife had the same engine in a different car as an automatic. I would only get 20-30 in it. My car was rated for 25-30 mpg. Most people don’t know how to drive a manual transmission for efficiency or never cared to find out, so they drive it like an automatic, which the car isn’t. Thus they end up with less mpg than they would in an automatic.

Could you explain "how to drive a manual transmission" ? I have one but I've never asked myself how I could drive better...

You have control over the torque, just barely push in the gas when you accelerate and use the gears to keep up with traffic instead of the gas pedal, like on bike.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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In an old manual transmission, that's true. Modern cars have anti roll back systems. But also, use the hand brake.

I remember my 2007 bmw 335i had that, but my current car, 2008 audi a5 does not hold when clutch in on a hill. Do most manual transmission cars now do this?

Pretty much anything that’s equipped with stability control (requires hardware to actuate brakes)

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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I've driven manual cars all my life. Shifting is completely normal to me, almost like muscle memory. I know my car well enough that can match motor revs to the new gear pretty close, without having to look at the dials. The whole process is automatic - I no longer even notice doing it. I just shift when needed, without actually having to consciously think about anything... That being said, I don't really feel nostalg…

> That being said, I don't really feel nostalgic or emotionally attached to that experience.

There's a ton of things you can do with a manual when pushing a car to its limits that simply aren't possible with an automatic, especially when on slippery terrain (mud, snow).

Damn shame.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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I've driven manual cars all my life. Shifting is completely normal to me, almost like muscle memory. I know my car well enough that can match motor revs to the new gear pretty close, without having to look at the dials. The whole process is automatic - I no longer even notice doing it. I just shift when needed, without actually having to consciously think about anything... That being said, I don't really feel nostalg…

> That being said, I don't really feel nostalgic or emotionally attached to that experience. There's a ton of things you can do with a manual when pushing a car to its limits that simply aren't possible with an automatic, especially when on slippery terrain (mud, snow). Damn shame.

So maybe that's good as it makes the car safer, forcing people to go slower?

And usually, you can still control the car manually even on automatic transmission.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#417
I’ve dailied a mt in LA traffic since 2009. I’m one of those connected to the car people. I don’t even like cruise control bc I can’t feel what is happening.

That said, I will never buy another ice engine if I can help it. That’s coming for all of us ”enthusiasts”. For better or worse “boring” electric motors with all the smoothness and infinite torque across all rpm’s are the future…

Mt and even ice will be only for the affluent as a recreation item. (See who currently can own a horse and what they use them for as an example)

So what are the enthusiast masses to do?

My pitch is that electric sports cars of the future should have digital simulations of the mt experience. We just need to modulate the electric motors to simulate the torque curve of an ice engine.

Either put a real clutch and mt gear box in and pump the output into that. Or fake the whole thing with a haptic clutch pedal.

Sim racing has just about all the tech figured out for how to make it believable enough. And we already pipe fake engine sound around ice cars to make em sound better.

The best part is that you could simulate different types of engines and new and fun combinations of manual and auto stuff. And when you want efficiency just plonk it in the middle gear and let the electric motors be electric mode. You get all the options. Full manual, sequential shifter, paddles dual clutch, and full auto electric.

Maybe that would be better in electric retrofits but if Mazda made an electric Miata with that option the haters would hate until they tried it and saw how fun it would be. Really that’s the only reason anyone has to get a mt anymore. They are just fun as hell to drive so all we need to do is figure out how to make the electric cars we will all have to drive fun.

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

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Okay but then why is the rolling brick wall of a modern pickup allowed?

Also, they probably care less about failing European safety standards since pickups aren’t a big market in Europe.

Are you claiming they're failing European safety standards? American pickups are sold in "Europe". Or does "fail" mean low rating here?

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#419
I remember an automatic version of my second car would have cost 12k instead of 10.

Why is this 20% increase in price not being discussed here?

I suppose this was partly because the cheapest automatic version had more HP than then cheapest manual version, and partly because automatic is just more expensive. But the point stands...

Re: The end of the manual transmission is near?

#420

Koenigseggs just made a car with a manual automatic! https://www.topgear.com/car-news/supercars/heres-how-koenigs...

This company (and the founder) are just a bunch of mechanical geniuses. Other than in pure-electric, where they partnered with Rimac, they have driven so much innovation, especially with ICE: form-factors, alternatives to camshafts (free-valve), even drive-mechanisms, manufacturing techniques, wheels etc.

They're extremely humble and low-key about their inventions too, though they come out of seemingly nowhere, I don't think, for example, that anybody expected this latest innovation, because the consensus has been "manual is dead" since the new sports cars like Porsche, Ford Mustang and various others are ditching it for pure performance reasons (0-60 times).

The new manual looks amazing with its gated shifter, very Pagani Huayra-like. Their whole youtube channel (especially the invention videos, which are very humble for the sheer audacity of what they achieve) is interesting, but here's the link to the manual-automatic video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LfkTodFuxg

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