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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by RestlessMind » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 7:41 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #402

29083011397778 wrote: post #375

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Android has immeasurable value, by way of ensuring Google didn't get locked out of the mobile ecosystem. What happens to Chrome's market share without being a default on one of the most used operating systems in the world? How about Google's traffic data for Google Maps without billions of devices they own reporting in every 60 seconds? Android's value may not be easy to measure, but it's worth in building and mainta…

Google is locked out the ecosystem of people who actually have money to spend. How else do you explain how they are willing to pay a competitor $14 billion+ a year? It doesn’t matter that Android is running on a bunch of $100 phones where they are getting a low ARPU. The Oracle trial showed how little profit came from Android. Who do you think business would rather target iPhone users or Android users?

Not a fan of Google, but

> How else do you explain how they are willing to pay a competitor $14 billion+ a year?

Obvious that they have more than >14B+ value extracted out of their competitor's ecosystem per year? I am not sure if you are aware of this or not but when Apple screwed FB with all the anti-tracking changes, there was one notable exception - the browser. Guess who benefited the most? All the ad dollars, which used to be spent on FB and other user-targeting based ad products, are now being diverted to search ads. Just read Google's earnings report - YT revenue declined while Search Ads revenue shot up.

> Who do you think business would rather target iPhone users or Android users?

Think 2-3 steps ahead. How do businesses target users? Via ads in a significant way. If they cannot target iPhone users anymore based on user data, what do you think they will use instead? The next best thing they know - Search Ads. Btw this is why you will Apple and Amazon's ad revenue surging as well.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by wizofaus » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 7:45 PM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #402

29083011397778 wrote: post #375

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Android has immeasurable value, by way of ensuring Google didn't get locked out of the mobile ecosystem. What happens to Chrome's market share without being a default on one of the most used operating systems in the world? How about Google's traffic data for Google Maps without billions of devices they own reporting in every 60 seconds? Android's value may not be easy to measure, but it's worth in building and mainta…

Google is locked out the ecosystem of people who actually have money to spend. How else do you explain how they are willing to pay a competitor $14 billion+ a year? It doesn’t matter that Android is running on a bunch of $100 phones where they are getting a low ARPU. The Oracle trial showed how little profit came from Android. Who do you think business would rather target iPhone users or Android users?

I have money to spend. What's your suggestion as an alternative to Android that isn't an Apple product (something I have no desire to have any more of in my life)?

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by wizofaus » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 7:47 PM UTC

soraminazuki wrote: post #161

vgatherps wrote: post #63

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What's the incentive for Google to EVER give the accounts back? If they wrongly deactivate an account (like here), you get a bad article, EFF and friends ruminate about your behavior, and the world mostly moves on. If Google wrongly gives an account back, you get a different article: "Google helped child pornographer even after discovering CP in their account". Now that gets attention. That's a scandal that leads to…

In what world would Google receive criticism for giving back accounts to people who has been proven innocent ? Google's surveillance system and automated ban hammers are already bad enough. But the actions they took following the ban in this case is egregious and 100% indefensible. At the very least, Google could've reinstated their victim's account and issued a full sincere apology upon being contacted by the NYT. I…

Is "proven innocent" a thing in the US?

(Your use of "full stop" suggests you're not American either - so I'll rephrase, "is proven innocent a thing in any English speaking country"? I actually don't know...)

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by blooalien » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 7:59 PM UTC

kornhole wrote: post #307

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #163

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What if I use Huawei phone, which is banned from using Google services? Obviously, China will have all my info, but they can't (yet) ban me from boarding US trains for low social rating, so what do I care?

You never know when Huawei or China will start doing something similar. You could do better and not have your data sitting with any corporate or government entity. I love my private Nextcloud running on a Raspberry PI. It syncs all contacts, calendar, files, bookmarks, tasks, notes, phone location, and much for may family's degoogled phones and PC's. Own your data and systems.

If only that were the normal … But we've now allowed multiple generations to be trained by the "big" ISPs to believe that we're not a part of the Internet, but simply consumers of it. Back in "the old days" most people who used the Internet were fully aware that their Internet connection made them a node on the Internet and that they had the ability and right to run personal or even public services on their Internet connection. These days, people don't think that way anymore. It's just a service to be consumed, like television, and apparently it would not exist at all without so much advertising that you often cannot even see the content of a web page at all without an ad-blocker.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by goodpoint » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:00 PM UTC

prox wrote: post #97

deepdriver wrote: post #51

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"The word fascism has now no meaning except in so far as it signals 'something not desirable.'" --George Orwell

Yeah also think the word/concept fascism doesn’t fit here. While it is obviously oppressive or unjust, it is a company, so what would be a better fit?

Fascist. Historically, the definition fits perfectly.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by goodpoint » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:03 PM UTC

Dobbs wrote: post #95

mike_hock wrote: post #20

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Welcome to fascism. A private company is the de-facto judge, jury and executioner because it owns half the infrastructure you live your life on.

This is at best authoritarianism or corportatism not fascism. There is no ultranationalism, there is no "othering", there is no enforced hierarchy of individuals.

Wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatis...

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by pas » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:04 PM UTC

SergeAx wrote: post #139

> Mark spoke with a lawyer about suing Google and how much it might cost. > “I decided it was probably not worth $7,000,” he said. I believe it is one of the roots of the problem. How is it even possible that getting justice in court in such a trivial case costs about three months of median income?

Well, it's really not straightforward to know what would be the outcome of such a lawsuit. Google's ToS is one thing but the main point is that random user uploading family photos is not a protected group, so Google refusing service is very much their right. The state usually cannot force otherwise.

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by Nemo_bis » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:29 PM UTC

elif wrote: post #276

From my travels, my impression has been that America in particular treats child nudity as completely, unexceptionally obscene, beyond even adult nudity. Compared to a beach in Europe, where nearly half of children under 2 run naked, there seems to be no grey area or minimum acceptability in the US. It makes me wonder if our hypersexualized treatment of child nudity /actively contributes/ to the sexualization of child…

Yet all these upload filters have been pushed by the European Commission... Otherwise Google may have never adopted them. Current chapter is "chat control". https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co...

Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:34 PM UTC

soraminazuki wrote: post #161

vgatherps wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the incentive for Google to EVER give the accounts back? If they wrongly deactivate an account (like here), you get a bad article, EFF and friends ruminate about your behavior, and the world mostly moves on. If Google wrongly gives an account back, you get a different article: "Google helped child pornographer even after discovering CP in their account". Now that gets attention. That's a scandal that leads to…

In what world would Google receive criticism for giving back accounts to people who has been proven innocent ? Google's surveillance system and automated ban hammers are already bad enough. But the actions they took following the ban in this case is egregious and 100% indefensible. At the very least, Google could've reinstated their victim's account and issued a full sincere apology upon being contacted by the NYT. I…

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Re: A dad took photos of his toddler for a doctor – Google flagged him as a criminal

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Post by therealdrag0 » Sun, Aug 21, 2022, 8:35 PM UTC

elif wrote: post #385

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #350

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I don't think it's quite as strict as you're making it out to be. I was in a park in Manhattan last week, which had a bunch of big sprinklers for kids to run through. No one was naked in the sprinkler, but some parents helped their children change in/out of their bathing suits out in the open. (Then again, I only remember this because I was a tad surprised by it.)

in japan, children play a game called Kancho, where they put their index fingers together and try to insert it into the anus of their unsuspecting friend. in america, you could destroy someone's life over that. (possibly even multiple lives)

But what does this have to do with nudity or destroying lives? Seems totally off base.