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Post by cromwellian »

trasz wrote: post #396
cromwellian wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But competing messages are allowed so while the rich manipulate public opinion, they are not unitary and other voices are still heard, wealthy battling wealthy and large social movements too. These false equivalence’s are really tiring. China’s control of public speech and media is on a wholly different plane. It’s not even remotely comparable to manipulation in the West.

So how’s China different here? Or do you really believe there are no conflicting opinions there? I mean, some people believe there are no public elections in China, so…

Are we really doing this? Are you really serious? Besides the fact that most of the country is firewalled off from foreign media, and besides the fact that only one political party is allowed, and besides the fact that political prisoners are routinely jailed for nothing more than denying a government narrative, holding mock polls, publishing or assembling (and I don't mean held for a day or two like in the West, but jailed for years)

Can a US citizen go on media, or organize a public protest, in which they call Joe Biden or Donald Trump, bad people, with bad policies? Yes, US citizens can publicly call for the highest level politicians in the land to lose their jobs, and with no real repercussions.

People on social media can scream "Let's Go Brandon" or meme like crazy about Biden. But Weibo, Wechat, Bilibili, Douyin, frequently censor even the most milquetoast sarcastic remarks about the CCP or Xi, including the infamous Baozi and Panda blocks.

Can a famous Chinese public individual/celebrity/intellectual, in China, tell a huge crowd and media, that I think the CCP are horrible and that Xi Jinping needs to be booted from power?

Stop trying to draw false equivalencies.

> I mean, some people believe there are no public elections in China, so…

Sure, where the CCP select and approve the candidates, control the election progress, and there is no free media coverage or transparency free of state control. Practically no real international election monitors. And no direct nationwide elections. Rather, a many levels of indirection process, effectively controlled by a President for life. Let's see what happens at Beidaihe and the 20th national congress in November. Think anything will change? I don't.

There's practical no competing, transparent system in these so called 'democratic elections' making them in effort, a Potemkin village with the veneer of popular will, but in fact, nothing of the sort. There are about 50 individuals in the US congress worth more than $10 million, and not a single one who is a billionaire. Trump was the only billionaire to have office. Meanwhile, there are 100+ CCP members in the Congress who are billionaires.

Does this look like a system chosen by public debate, awareness, and discussion?

For all of the flaws in the Western systems, and there are a vast number, it is really tiring seeing tankies try to say "everything's the same" with zero nuance, as if none of it matters.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

trasz wrote: post #311
chmod600 wrote: post #28

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There's some nuance here. We have free speech in the US. Freedom means choice, so there's still an obligation to act morally. China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money, so we need some kind of cultural counter to that. For instance, see how China manipulated the NBA and Activision Blizzard during the Hong Kong protests.

>China is more than willing to manipulate cultural messages with money Compared to a country where companies literally buy congressman, and freely manipulate public opinion for the highest bidder?

Trump appeared to make money during his election versus the billion the Hillary campaign spent…

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Post by mensetmanusman »

trasz wrote: post #396
cromwellian wrote: post #382

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But competing messages are allowed so while the rich manipulate public opinion, they are not unitary and other voices are still heard, wealthy battling wealthy and large social movements too. These false equivalence’s are really tiring. China’s control of public speech and media is on a wholly different plane. It’s not even remotely comparable to manipulation in the West.

So how’s China different here? Or do you really believe there are no conflicting opinions there? I mean, some people believe there are no public elections in China, so…

A colleague of mine who is Chinese walked by a protest in China and inadvertently checked his phone. He was interrogated by state police for almost a day during the following weekend.

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Post by cromwellian »

pphysch wrote: post #402
cromwellian wrote: post #381

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I think Google proved you can live and thrive without the China domestic market.

Google doesn't have any full-spectrum peer competitors, much less any that are operating in both PRC and USA.

Apple didn't either (for premium smartphones) until, arguably, basing their manufacturing there helped standup a large infrastructure that could easily be turned around to make Huawei, Xiaomi, and other devices.

If Apple had somehow managed to make iPhones in Vietnam instead of Shenzhen, would they really be facing the premium tier competition from Huawei they face in the EU?

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Post by mensetmanusman »

msabalau wrote: post #274
FirstLvR wrote: post #122

I HATE the fact technology has to be influenced so much by politics. The only reason we are not travel the stars by now is our own fault.

We don't have interstellar travel because Apple's suppliers have to meet labeling requirements? But yes, there are nice things that the money that goes to defense budgets could be spent on, if there weren't authoritarian leaders making irredentist threats against democracies.

If the trillions that was spent on defence was spent on a space station, there is an argument to be made.

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Post by mensetmanusman »

mmis1000 wrote: post #200
joenot443 wrote: post #177

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Thanks for chiming in! Always great to hear perspectives from people actually living in the places being discussed. If you had to guess, where do you expect TW/CH relations to be in 50 years? Do you still expect there to be disagreement between the two governments on respective borders and sovereignty or will they someday reach a fully amicable agreement?

I don't think there will be a agreement as long as China is still held by current government. Although we still speak chinese. The culture already differs too much to the point that there isn't any belongingness in young people. And thing that is more interest is. Statistically, the lower the age is, the lower the belongingness to PRC they have. When people grows. The average belongingness will be even lower. I think…

China can always force the issue like Russia is…

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Post by mensetmanusman »

zozbot234 wrote: post #282
bnchrch wrote: post #268

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As someone who has spent a significant amount of time living in Taiwan. These facts grossly do not represent the reality of today. In minimizing Taiwan sovereignty you hurt a whole nation of people only to benefit a terrible regime saving face. Taiwan is its own country.

Taiwan has a unique political arrangement but they view themselves as China, not as a separate country.

This is getting less true every day as the old die out and the new are born.

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Post by _trampeltier »

lostlogin wrote: post #403
_trampeltier wrote: post #400

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Got new banc accounts, changed owner, etc. Most prominent example: Germany Launches €10 Billion Bailout for Gazprom’s Local Unit https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31773314

Isn’t that all long after it started though?

Yes and now. Maybe this was a bad example. The start here was short after the war started, true.

Since I also don't know any names by myself, I can't tell much more.

But it was the only example in the media.

Also interessting is, but I never read why somewhere, Rheinmetall Defense for ex., they made year for year the same amount of money (10 years back). Until two years before the war, they made much more and one year before the war, more much more money again.

Also I know a guy who workes there sometimes. He said they had all hands full of work ti produce munition at least a year before the war started.

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Post by prepend »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #242
prepend wrote: post #165

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I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan. They might take Taiwan though and ruin the global economy for a few decades. But I’m not seeing how this gets to be ww3 and not a regional war of just blowing shit up with missles. I don’t think Europe, Africa or South America would get involved unless China fired icbms or bobbed Hawaii or something. China’s military just isn’t strong enoug…

> I don’t think it would be ww3 as China would get roflstomped by US and Japan. Yes, a country with nukes would get "rolfstomped". I expect this opinion from a hacker news commentator.

I suppose I’ll never get to be Secretary of State.

Re: Apple warns suppliers to follow China rules on 'Taiwan' labeling

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Post by Clubber »

koshergweilo wrote: post #208
Clubber wrote: post #153

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>It amazes me how quickly people online are willing to start ww3. Ya, and if that happens, expect a draft. The US military is having difficulty finding volunteers. They'll need a whole lot of soldiers, sailors and marines if we went all out with China. >It seems like it's not the world leaders we have to worry about, it's the fucking commenters. Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's wi…

> Pelosi was quite bold in her little stunt recently with Taiwan. She's willing to send our boys and girls to war for a political stunt is pretty disgusting The only reason she went was because the US military deemed it safe to do so. No one wants a war right now. > I wonder what she was really trying to accomplish. Why not listen to her words? "We must stand by Taiwan, which is an island of resilience. Taiwan is a l…

>The only reason she went was because the US military deemed it safe to do so.

The same military that said Afghanistan wouldn't fall until months after we left? The same DoD that convinced us WMDs existed in Iraq? How many times will we buy into this garbage?

"Our commitment to democracy is tested in China. That nation now has a sliver, a fragment of liberty. Yet, China's people will eventually want their liberty pure and whole. China has discovered that economic freedom leads to national wealth. China's leaders will also discover that freedom is indivisible -- that social and religious freedom is also essential to national greatness and national dignity. Eventually, men and women who are allowed to control their own wealth will insist on controlling their own lives and their own country."

W. Bush said similar things when trying to manufacture content for invading Iraq. You know how that worked out. Don't buy what they're selling like I did 20 years ago. Warmongers need to go. A draft to fight China will destroy an entire generation. She has no business saber rattling like that.

>No one wants a war right now.

You sure about that?

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