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Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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If you look at the details in this case it appears that the actual charges are for exploiting confidential company information for his own gain and not insider trading.

Misappropriating fiduciary information is literally the legal basis for insider trading. There's a common fallacy that insider trading is illegal because the government wants to enforce a "level playing field". Nothing could be further from the truth. Insider trading is illegal because as an employee of the company, you're profiting off your job in a way that doesn't share any of the profits with your employer. In ot…

I appreciate the clarification! But maybe you took it too far?

Publicly traded companies themselves are subject to regulations that impede varrious kinds of unfair and prejudicial behavior. Isn't the colloquially interpretation less far from reality than someone might extract from your comment? Since if regulations keep the company from doing it, and 'insider trading' keeps the insiders from doing it-- you're left with those that have superhuman insight from satellite photos or whatever (technically public, but maybe only practically available to billion dollar corporations) -- and at least the hedge funds are vulnerable to noise and misinterpretation. You might get thoroughly out traded, but hopefully not through actually privileged information.

The reason I bring it up is was really the reason behind my original comment: I think that nothing about this prosecution should make people investing in crypto-commodities, ICOs, etc. particularly obscure and thinly traded ones feel any safer from exchange insiders trading against them to their detriment.

All you we can extract from this is that if exchange staff do it for their personal benefit they might get prosecuted. But the staff doing it personally in their own accounts is probably a minor problem compared to the exchange engaging in it for its own profits.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Hey what's up with your comment being almost verbatim this one https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=32184233&goto=item%3Fi...

It's a bot that rewords other comments.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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The irony here is that the linked Twitter account made his money by coordinating pump and dumps back in the day, before he rebranded into this entity.

Cobie used to co-ordinate pump and dumps?

Every cryptocurrency personality leveraged their network effects to make millions. Go look at the founder of LTC tweeting moon moon while dumping LTC.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Why the need for the large amount of cash? It's not that you can't access banking websites from abroad. Sure, his bank accounts might be frozen or off-boarded as a result of the investigation. But in general, you can always transfer your money and don't need to bring cash.

If you're expecting someone to call the police during or after the meeting where they ask you about the crimes you committed against them, you probably want to obtain enough spending money before you're officially a fugitive, rather than hope they won't cancel your credit card or use it to find out where you are in the coming days. Though you'd have thought someone committing financial crimes in the crypto industry m…

> someone committing financial crimes in the crypto industry might have more scope for planning their offramp

One would think.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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Wow, the indictment references [this tweet][1] that caused Coinbase to investigate the matter and ultimately led the defendant in being caught at the airport before trying to leave the country. > On May 11, 2022, Coinbase’s director of security operations emailed ISHAN WAHI to inform him that he should appear for an in-person meeting relating to Coinbase’s asset listing process at Coinbase’s Seattle, Washington offic…

The irony here is that the linked Twitter account made his money by coordinating pump and dumps back in the day, before he rebranded into this entity.

...whilst also working for a UK Bank irl.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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There was an HN thread about that tweet, at the time that it was tweeted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012462 ( "Insider Trading at Coinbase (twitter.com/cobie)" ) (3 months ago, 333 comments)

During which conversation a fairly large number of HN commenters thought that crypto insider trading wasn't illegal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012837

Yeah, good luck convincing a judge about that

"Well technically" works sometimes. Only sometimes. And people who aren't familiar with SEC rules are not really qualified to say if it's fair game or not.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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The person was lazy. There are many ways to obfuscate this even when the ledger is public

The indictment describes the numerous ways in which the perpetrator managed to obfuscate the insider trading. It didn't stop the USG from finding him and prosecuting him.

No. They got sloppy with at least one big position with suspicious timing. [0]

[0] see infamous tweet about position 24h prior to announcement.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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It talks volumes about the internal controls at CB that it took a tweet to expose this. Given the speed with which they grew last two years I expect their financial and security processes to be next to nothing. This is just tip of an iceberg. Insiders would have made tens of millions over last two years of bull run, if not more. This dude just got greedy and unlucky to get caught just as the crypto bubble began burst…

A lot of people suspect there's ""official"" insider trading at the exchanges; there's no reason for the exchange not to front-run orders or fake the order book if they think they can get away with it. Or trade against heavily leveraged positions to liquidate them. Or prop-trade with the customers' money.

I mean this is probably true for all exchanges, also for the traditional stock market; it's the financial incentive they have on top of the regular commissions they charge.

The person in question was sloppy, and as others said, this is probably just the tip of the iceberg.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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I studied accounting. We were told that Internal Control, audits, reviews etc. are the silver bullets to curbing corporate corruption and accounting scandals. When we reached master's level all that was thrown out of the window and the truth was that, those techniques are only there to serve nothing but regulatory and statutory requirements. Corporate ethics is practically non-existential. The way scandals are expose…

I’d be inclined to think controls, audits, and reviews prevent most of the casual fraud, even if some fraud still happens. Sort of like door locks. They don’t eliminate all theft. But they greatly reduce casual theft.

I thought about this the other week when someone casually tried to walk into my house when I was sitting ten feet from the door. She was stopped by my deadbolt. No way my home security will keep out a skilled criminal, but door locks, audits, and other every level security at least raise the bar for someone seeking to do crime.

Re: Former Coinbase PM charged in cryptocurrency insider trading tipping scheme

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post #285

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There was an HN thread about that tweet, at the time that it was tweeted: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012462 ( "Insider Trading at Coinbase (twitter.com/cobie)" ) (3 months ago, 333 comments)

During which conversation a fairly large number of HN commenters thought that crypto insider trading wasn't illegal: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31012837

The DoJ isn't prosecuting them for `Insider Trading`. It's prosecuting them for Wire Fraud against Coinbase. Wire Fraud doesn't require there be a security involved at all.
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