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Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Same thing with my husband's car, his phone, and the song "A-Punk" by Vampire Weekend. I now jokingly play it as the first song any time we head off on a long road trip, much to his immense frustration.

Sort happens by album artist over here, the first one being Take On Me by a-ha, triggering all sorts of physical pavlovian reactions now. Trigger seems to be iOS thinking it's being helpful so that when I "plug" headphones (either physically, bluetoothically, or carplayly) I presumably want to play music. Also, double click on Library in Music.app nee iTunes on macOS. Plays the whole library, linearly, which, like, w…

> Also, double click on Library in Music.app nee iTunes on macOS. Plays the whole library, linearly, which, like, who does that?

Often, when I see a feature like that, one that makes you ask "who would want to do that with the whole dataset?" — the answer is usually "developers regression-testing their feature branch of the program, where their 'whole dataset' is a test fixture consisting of a bunch of data samples where each one exercises a weird edge-case path in the code."

Sure, you could just make a playlist for this. But iTunes has a directory it watches within the library, where putting stuff in it will cause iTunes to automatically move those songs into your library. And if I were an iTunes dev, my scripted "Test" action would consist of creating a new library directory structure; plonking a copy of my regtest fixture dataset into its auto-import dir; starting up the new build targeting that dir; and then sending it the Automator action "Library → Play All." A playlist would only complicate that.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…

I generally hate Bluetooth. But, your post is golden. I'm sorry you are dealing with it.

    I don't know if it's a Lexus problem, or an Apple problem, 
    but what I know is that I really fucking hate U2. 
My best understanding is that this is a Lexus problem, because on the occasions I have connected wireless speakers to my iPhones this has never happened.

CarPlay solves some of these problems and is maybe not perfect, but generally a far saner UX experience than what car companies have managed to cook up over the years.

I would assume similar things are true for Android Auto. Like, not perfect, but far saner than whatever the heck the UX wizards at Toyota brewed up.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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I've heard consistent excellent things about AirPods in terms of connectivity and listening experience for the owner :) Let me be the annoying one to say that they can negatively contribute to a team meeting experience (which fair enough, isn't what they're designed for - but what many people use them for, not just in a pinch but as primary day-long mechanism). There's only so much software can do to mitigate the fac…

The worst technology I've encountered in recent years is: Other People's AirPod. When paired with a windows PC or older Mac, Airpods use an older or lower quality audio codec that sounds pretty poor for those hearing you speak. Caveat: I don't know what I'm talking about, technically.

This is basically all bluetooth headsets though. Try using any of them to play games on Windows while using in-game chat. The audio drops down to tape recorder quality because there isn't enough bandwidth.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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The annoying thing I have with bluetooth, is with my headphones, I connect them up, set them as the sound source and just..... nothing. I have to go round all of my devices and disable the bluetooth on them, because some other device is connected too and although that is not playing any sound at all, somehow has priority and doesn't allow any sound to be played by any other device.

The worst is when it connects to my laptop with the lid shut and not logged in.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Similar thing would happen in my Toyota, the song 'Afraid' by Yellowcard would play every time I turned on the car. Realized it was playing the first song in my library. In Apple Music there is a song called 'A a a a a Very Good Song (Silent Track)' by artist Samir Mezrahi, that contains 10 minutes of silence. I added that to my library and now that song plays when I turn on my car (although this autoplay only happen…

But why the hell is it autoplaying in the first place? Does apple really hate their customers/users so much that they can't make this an option? That's completely insane. The more I learn about apple, the more I see extremely hostile UI decisions for literally no reason

I believe what’s happening is that certain car stereos are programmed to basically send the “play” command as soon as a device is connected. From the phone’s perspective, it’s as if you had connected Bluetooth headphones and then pressed the “play/pause” button.

I say this because my iPhone never autoplays when connecting to any Bluetooth audio device except for my car stereo.

I agree it’s aggressive and should be able to be turned off, but it’s the car’s software, not the phone’s, that’s the problem.

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Maybe Apple had a sinister plan here... First, they make all of their own Apple gear's bluetooth work really well with other Apple gear (which they generally do). Then get rid of the cables, and everyone else will copy Apple because that seems to be what other companies do. But everyone else's bluetooth implementations suck (which they generally do), so people think that Android/Samsung/etc aren't as good as Apple wh…

I'm honestly shocked how good of a job Apple did on their AirPods. When they first came out I thought it was an expensive gimmick, but when they released the Pro's I bought in and they became my favorite Apple product of all time. At least for me, the reliability of the connection as well as being able to do a quick "handoff" from my iPhone to my Mac to take a call is a gamechanger. Also the spacial audio feature is…

Friend has airpods, they have problems during phone calls pretty frequently. Maybe better than vanilla bluetooth, but still there are issues.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Similar thing would happen in my Toyota, the song 'Afraid' by Yellowcard would play every time I turned on the car. Realized it was playing the first song in my library. In Apple Music there is a song called 'A a a a a Very Good Song (Silent Track)' by artist Samir Mezrahi, that contains 10 minutes of silence. I added that to my library and now that song plays when I turn on my car (although this autoplay only happen…

But why the hell is it autoplaying in the first place? Does apple really hate their customers/users so much that they can't make this an option? That's completely insane. The more I learn about apple, the more I see extremely hostile UI decisions for literally no reason

Why do you assume this was decided by Apple?

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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But why the hell is it autoplaying in the first place? Does apple really hate their customers/users so much that they can't make this an option? That's completely insane. The more I learn about apple, the more I see extremely hostile UI decisions for literally no reason

Why do you assume this was decided by Apple?

Because they're the ones programming iOS? Who else would decide it, it's not like iOS is an open source project

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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>> You're part of the in group, you made it, you have achieved sameness, you have an iPhone. I assumed I was just a grouchy old man (because I am:) but I recently found out what level of social stratification happens for teenagers without iPhone. Immediate judgement, plus the continued dreaded green text box. It is brutal I thought I was exaggerating the iPhone as a status symbol as opposed to actually convenient / t…

Imagine how I feel, I don't carry or use phones, period. The level of outright indignation I experience is pretty high. People resort to levels of disgust when met with someone who openly rejects carrying around a little bother-box in their pocket as if I'm some type of unwashed knave.

I'd never look down on anybody without a phone. In fact, I'd really respect it.

But I would be frustrated if it was somebody close to me, if (if!) there was no other way to contact them.

Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades

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Bluetooth horror story time?

I was trying to get a system working to record the motions of vampire bats (long story). Previous people had decided on a small backpack mounted to the bats with a LiPo battery, the sensors, and a Bluetooth transmitter to a laptop for data recording.

Everytime someone would walk by the room within 3 floors, the sensors would try to pair with their phone instead of keeping the connection to the laptop. If that sounds like nonsense, yes, I agree. Since this was in a research hospital there were no 'good' hours as patients and MDs and nurses walked by all the time. RF noise and the like is deep-dark-magic in normal times, combine with Bluetooth and you get a Rogaine subscription.

I did get it working, with Bluetooth even, but only after spending a weekend building a crummy Faraday cage with screendoor mesh, a ton of soldering, duct tape, and dodgy ground loops into the wall outlets.

Bluetooth, never again

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