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YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by zitsarethecure »

danso wrote: post #69

> It is extraordinarily dangerous, and dozens of people have been killed following instructions contained in viral videos. Thought this might be an exaggeration (classic “well I’ve never heard of this” brain), but here’s a case that happened just a few months ago: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna26109

The AAW have banned the practice because it is so dangerous and have been maintaining a list of the people killed by it, including at least one professional electrician.

https://www.woodturner.org/Woodturner/Woodturner/Resources/S...

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by hedora »

headsoup wrote: post #26
rvz wrote: post #4

The whole point of the 'trusted news initiative' [0] is to combat the so called 'fake news', and disinformation and to replace that (or at least flag these videos as 'misleading') with actual fact checked articles, videos, etc. What is happening here is the direct opposite of the TNI [0] and especially YouTube is removing videos unveiling the dangers in these fractal wood-burning videos and are instead promoting thes…

Just about all occurrences have been so, it just depends what you believe. Entirely obvious irony in naming it 'Trusted News Initiative' like a good old 'Honest Al's Second-hand Cars!'

Marketing 101: Any adjective with a positive connotation in a brand name or marketing copy is a lie.

"Easy to assemble", "quiet operation", "durable nonstick coating"," trustworthy computing", "digital rights", etc, etc.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by hef19898 »

quasarj wrote: post #392
kzrdude wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't watch Electroboom because he always gives himself shocks in every video. Don't care that they are small or it's set up, I can't stand watching it, makes me ill. Seems to be interesting stories he's telling otherwise though, so it's a shame.

It's supposed to be funny. Why does it make you sick?

Because promoting baf safety habbits around potentially dangerous stuff to clueless people is a bad idea?

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Post by dr_orpheus »

reportingsjr wrote: post #85
HideousKojima wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had one the other week where I was replacing an outlet in the kitchen. I flipped the kitchen breaker and the lights and appliances all turned off. I skipped the important step of actually testing the outlet and stupidly assumed it no longer had power. Turns out it was on a different circuit from the rest of the kitchen. The outlet was stuck in the wall box so I reached a flathead screwdriver in to try and pry it ou…

I made the mistake of not testing _all_ of the wires in an outlet a couple of months ago. I used a non contact voltmeter, and had shut off the breaker to the outlet I was working on. Little did I know that the jackass that did some previous wiring in the house had run wires from a different breaker in to this box. It was done in such a way that I didn't fully realize it could have separate live. My palm below my thum…

I discovered an outlet like this in my house. Had a lamp plugged in to the outlet (since I could see it from the breaker box) and was sequentially going through and flipping each breaker off, then on again. The light never turned off...

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by t_mann »

mulmen wrote: post #396
t_mann wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scary. I recently did some research into what's behind the 'Jungle Builders' channels (two guys pretending to build flashy, but completely dysfunctional, pools somewhere in a forest with little more than their hands as tools). Seems to be a similar scheme, it doesn't invite viewers to recreate, but they leave a lot of litter and moscito-infested concrete pits behind. Most of them are actually in the same tiny forest…

Do you have some links to this? A few cursory quacks turned up nothing. My family loves those channels but it would be interesting to see how the structures hold up and how/if they are ever used.

Here's one, although I don't like it because I feel like it's overdramatizing a bit. With construction quality this low, my hinge is that the jungle will claim back those spots fairly quickly, but the (drainless!) water pits will remain moscito breeders for a considerable amount of time (and wildlife trap hazards for some time).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCyLWhPnq1M

In response to your question: they hold up extremely poorly. But ecologically speaking, it's probably no worse than the average palm oil farm.

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Post by hedora »

mberning wrote: post #63

They can auto generate warning messages on every video even tangentially referencing the c-word for 2 years, but they let this kind of thing slide for years and years.

Yeah, but they did a terrible job of this.

They still push anti vaxxer conspiracy theory crap, but they immediately banned actual tenured scientists with decades of experience writing and reviewing papers on pandemic response.

If anything, their treatment of this video is par for the course. They're banning the factually correct content, and pushing popular misinformation that kills people.

Re: YouTube removes criticism of dangerous fractal wood burning, but leaves up tips

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Post by [deleted] »

CM30 wrote: post #32

YouTube's moderation is ridiculous, and it demonstrates the problem Google has in general. They don't like paying actual people to moderate their sites, and rely on automated systems and bots to do everything for them. So, if there's ever an issue (or you have a bunch of scammers mass reporting you because you debunk their 'work'), then YouTube/Google seems to think you're the problem instead of the scumbags. We need…

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Post by InitialLastName »

iSnow wrote: post #387
InitialLastName wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a couple of hours of my time wasted on removing every last piece of burnt greasy cheese from inside the toaster I'm not (currently) a parent, so this may be off base, but I am currently in the crunch part of the process so looking to learn: Is there not a better opportunity for this to be a learning experience by making it a couple of hours of your kid's time to do that cleaning? I know my adult life has benefited…

Yes and no. Punishing your kid for some dumb but innocent action has the potential to make them too cautious. Additionally, they might damage the toaster because they have no experience on how to properly open and clean it and that would make things much worse. That's especially true if your kid might be neuro-divergent - e.g. kids with ADHD tend to be clumsy but cannot help it, they might be 30% behind in motor coor…

I certainly agree that modulating the level of supervision of the cleaning to the kid's abilities is warranted, but I still think they should be involved to the end.

I don't see it as a punishment to make the kid stick around and help with the cleanup to the extent they can; rather, it's an attempt to practice conscientious habits (if you make a mess, you stick around to see it cleaned up even if you need help to do so), in addition to the specific learning experience that some things are really hard to clean, so we should be careful in our experiments with those things.

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Post by dpmitu »

pornel wrote: post #10

There is a massive YouTube and Instagram industry of outright faking craft and cooking tips. They're not just bad or a stretch, they're intentionally fabricated, made at scale by TheSoul Publishing with 550 employees. That's because making cool things looking surprisingly easy goes viral way better than actual reality-grounded instructions, and for the adtech giants nothing matters except the number of clicks. Before…

It's a good thing they removed the dislike button!

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Post by hedora »

tehwebguy wrote: post #111
h2odragon wrote: post #31

Censorship sucks but when its it YouTube's responsibility to protect idiots from themselves? If they removed these videos are they still responsible for people attempting the stunt because they heard about it there six months ago? I demand the freedom to suffer the consequences of my own actions.

YouTube has their own policy of taking down content they call “harmful & dangerous,” this person is complaining that they are enforcing it incorrectly by taking down her video talking about the dangers and not taking down or age gating the videos of people showing how to do it. > I demand the freedom to suffer the consequences of my own actions. You will absolutely suffer the consequences of whatever actions you take…

"harmful & dangerous" to whom?
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