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Post by marricks »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #203
anonymouse008 wrote: post #105

It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. They are on the cusp on turning Macs into annual upgrades - with meaningful performance upgrades tied to the OS, just like they've done for a decade with the A series / iOS releases. This is firing on all cylinders. The organizational structure and performance is a marvel for this.

> It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. Apple also made a huge leap forward with their cooling designs. Making the laptop thicker and investing in proper cooling design made a huge difference. My M1 laptop is significantly quieter than my old Intel laptop at the same power consumption level. It’s not even close. Apple’s last generation chassis and cooling solutio…

Yes and no? My m1 MacBook Air doesn't have a fan and performs better than my Intel MBP in many respects.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

Xeoncross wrote: post #82

I'm not surprised they are keeping the M1 Air alive. That thing is a great price/performance combo in a very light and portable wrapper. It's been $850-$900 multiple times at Costco, Bestbuy or Microcenter. Also, the first computer where getting the upgraded hard drive (512GB or 1TB) really helps with the low ram because of the integration bus they have with the drive for swap. It's fast.

The price/performance for the M1 air is impossible to beat. Anyone who just needs a good laptop at a reasonable(ish) price can grab that and be happy for years.

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Post by reaperducer »

wintermutestwin wrote: post #155
onphonenow wrote: post #40

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No chance unfortunately. Windows 11 has pop up "notifications" that are basically ads all over. Unnecessarily hard to cleanup / customize in a biz setting. If we could deploy Apple products in a business environment we would in a heartbeat. But Microsoft just is better here currently on a lot of fronts - the last time I chased my tail here it didn't pay off. If Apple wants to compete for the business market I think t…

My cut n' paste pet peeve example of why macOS seems like a "toy" and not for serious business use: The file save dialog box has this unbelievable limit of 38 viewable characters! I regularly have to deal with 50+ character naming conventions where the first 38 characters are the same among many files. It is a huge hassle of cursor navigation that is so unnecessary as I am looking at all this unused real estate in th…

I agree that this particular aspect of the the dialog box is bad. But if something as minor as this keeps you off an entire platform, it sounds like making excuses.

I save ~50 - ~100 character filenames all the time. I even cut, copy, and paste bits of them in that little box. It doesn't feel like a big deal to me.

But yeah, it's the little things like this that belie Apple's reputation for attention to detail.

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Post by Macha »

turtlebits wrote: post #345
pier25 wrote: post #300

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I agree. The Air used to be the laptop for everyone. Now it has entered into MBP territory in terms of pricing and performance. What will happen with the M3? Will the base Air start at $1500? Will the M2 Air drop its price to $999 when the M3 is released? I'm not saying the M2 Air is not worth its price compared to x86 laptops, but it's ridiculous that the cheapest Apple laptop is way overkill for its intended audien…

The original Macbook Air when introduced had an MSRP of $1800. They are still selling the M1 Air at $1000.

The original Macbook Air was introduced to be extra light - it only later shifted to the entry level device as there used to be the base macbook for that

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Post by Klonoar »

olliej wrote: post #383
smlacy wrote: post #358

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So you're saying that BSD has better power management than Linux? Would love to see some real research and analysis on this.

No, macOS does its own power management - the base kernel may be BSD, but macOS has vastly more work in it than simply shipping a basic BSD system.

The base kernel is not really BSD.

https://wiki.freebsd.org/Myths#FreeBSD_is_Just_macOS_Without...

>Darwin - which consists of the XNU kernel, IOkit (a driver model), and POSIX compatibility via a BSD compatibility layer - makes up part of macOS (as well as iOS, tvOS, and others) includes a few subsystems (such as the VFS, process model, and network implementation) from (older versions of) FreeBSD, but is mostly an independent implementation. The similarities in the userland, however, make it much easier to port macOS code to FreeBSD than any other system - partially because a lot of command-line utilities were imported along with the BSD bits from FreeBSD. For example, both libdispatch (Grand Central Dispatch in Apple's marketing) and libc++ were written for macOS and worked on FreeBSD before any other OS.

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Post by jiggawatts »

iostream24 wrote: post #95
onphonenow wrote: post #40

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No chance unfortunately. Windows 11 has pop up "notifications" that are basically ads all over. Unnecessarily hard to cleanup / customize in a biz setting. If we could deploy Apple products in a business environment we would in a heartbeat. But Microsoft just is better here currently on a lot of fronts - the last time I chased my tail here it didn't pay off. If Apple wants to compete for the business market I think t…

Is Active Directory still LDAP compliant? Embraced and extended or compliant? Open-LDAP should be able to get you most of the way there. Stuff like CIFS allows for mountable shares, and roaming profiles is easily handled by LDAP login and a mounted /home Oh wait, then you could use actual FOSS systems, Sorry I forgot that this was about Apple.. Ok so they can license AD, giving M$!a bone in the process

You realise that something like 99% of all LDAP authentications in the world go through Active Directory, right?

This is like someone screaming that Linux is a toy because it’s not really UNIX unlike SCO.

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Post by refulgentis »

msbarnett wrote: post #35
refulgentis wrote: post #11

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5 years from now people will grok more fundamentally that launching 2 process nodes ahead of Intel via TSMC was the big win. For now, we'll deal with marketing-ese about how "other CPU vendors have to choose between power and performance" from Apple's head of semiconductor engineering, and posts on this page like the one saying Microsoft doesn't care and Apple's about to take over computing.

They're only 1 process node ahead of Intel. Intel 10nm is roughly equivalent transistor density as TSMC 7nm. The M1 was TSMC 5nm. And given that there's no way a single process node jump is going to give Intel a 75% uplift in instruction per clock (2 nodes wouldn't give them that either, for that matter), Intel is going to have to clock higher for comparable performance and that's still going to put them behind on po…

They were two ahead at launch (to wit, comparisons were against 10th gen Intel)

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Post by skohan »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #408
skohan wrote: post #277

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It's hard to imagine needing this honestly. I'm typing this on an M1 air, and even on this chip it's so snappy and quick even on things like larger compilation jobs. I'm not on the super-power-user end, but imo the price/performance for the air, as well as the form factor seems to be a sweet spot.

Single threaded performance is very useful for gaming, but I agree that the M1 is so fast that anything faster is just a bonus.

Which games can you even play on a mac?
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