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What does “shitty job” mean in the low-skill, low-pay world?

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Post by refurb »

antifa wrote: post #200
pc86 wrote: post #163

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> Do people think they’re entitled to private apartments in the most expensive cities in the world? Yes, they do. Read any thread on a vaguely left-leaning subreddit that even starts approaching discussions of renting, or landlords, or landlord-tenant relations, and you'll get flooded with comments so detached from reality it will stun you.

I can't believe people are so detached from reality that they feel entitled to live within driving distance of their job...

I live in a place with very good transit and people just complain about their 45 min one-way commute by train.

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bruce343434 wrote: post #194
hn_neverguess wrote: post #167

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Whoever complains about slavery in the US should look up the 996 working hour system in China (spoiler: 72 hours per week). Why compare ourselves to China and not to a place like Argentina or wherever they take mid-day naps during weekdays? Because you don't want to fall behind in the global economic race. As the world becomes increasingly interconnected, there are going to be fewer and fewer protections for the loca…

"You can't complain because other people have it worse!"

So I assume when Jeff Bezos complains about the cost of milk you're right there to back him up?

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Post by nemo44x »

bromuro wrote: post #405
nemo44x wrote: post #232

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If you’re smart it’s a much better deal to live in the USA. It’s why you see so many Europeans move here and not the other way around. Europe is better if you’re dumb as there are better social systems. You can just exist more easily there.

I had the impression people don’t move from the US to Europe because they speak only English. In Berlin I’ve met many that gave up because of the language barriers. On the other side, I have friends regretting their move to the US - citing a workaholic culture, high living costs, lot of cars and shopping, no safety, etc.

> On the other side, I have friends regretting their move to the US - citing a workaholic culture, high living costs, lot of cars and shopping, no safety, etc.

Lol this isn’t true. These are things you’ve been told that simply aren’t necessarily true. People work similarly to euros. Professionals get paid significantly more, get as much or more time off, and essentially get free healthcare if you understood our model. But let’s spin it a bit:

Things may cost more relative to the euro because the dollar has been so strong. We make much more income so things cost a bit more. Owning a car is awesome. Shopping is awesome. Only some sort of weird propaganda would convince someone that having freedom of travel and the ability to buy things is bad. No safety? You’re the guys with WW3 on your doorstep. Our entire culture is built on seeing the critical mistakes of Europe over the last 400 years and not repeating them.

As for language barriers - why aren’t Americans flocking to London? It’s a far more important city than Berlin. It’s because the living is inferior to here if you can earn a living. Less pay, small houses, less to do, bad weather, etc. Fun to visit though

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Post by refurb »

3qz wrote: post #161
willnonya wrote: post #151

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What is the purpose of this comment?

It's a drive by shit-post is why. Nothing to be learned, just some words, poorly thought out. Nothing to respond to, no intellectual engagement possible.

Would have been better if it was never posted in the first place.

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Post by nradov »

refurb wrote: post #410
mepiethree wrote: post #206

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A home, yeah, not a home in downtown metros. My uncle is a teacher and owns two houses in rural Ohio with his wife, kid, and two dogs. Living the American dream.

Pretty much. Not realistic to assume someone comes to the US with nothing and then buy a home in say San Francisco. The American Dream is typically "come to the US with nothing and build a comfortable life, no matter who you are". I still think that's possible. Guaranteed? Of course not.

A high percentage of homes in San Francisco are literally owned by first-generation immigrants. You can obviously see this just walking around and talking to people.

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Post by crate_barre »

oh_sigh wrote: post #409
crate_barre wrote: post #377

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Let me shock you by saying in some of these cities groups of people easily take out a 2500-3k rental. Either families or groups of workers.

And their combined income is $15/hr?

It’s possible, sure.

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Post by 1123581321 »

analog31 wrote: post #43
k__ wrote: post #4

I always have to think about this when people say "buy more at small businesses!" Most small businesse owners I met were just as shitty as the ones of big businesses, they just weren't as smart as them.

This is something people don't think about when they claim that the skilled trades should be a viable alternative to college education. Most employment in the trades is with small or family owned businesses, where labor laws are rarely enforced. And with family businesses, your prospects hinge on whether you belong to the family or not. It also means people might be more willing to go into those trades if they were e…

I haven’t largely seen this to be the case. First, as far as regulation, in the US, most trades still have to contend with code and with the local union. So aside from work in truly dismal municipalities, there is a floor to the quality of the job.

Second, there is at least a legible path for new entrants with reasonable starting pay.

Third, there actually are a number of decent companies, and nepotism doesn’t necessarily mean getting screwed over, just a need to advance elsewhere.

Fourth, there is a viable freelance path in many trades, or at least the ability to make oneself a biddable item (play residental vs. commercial, alternate between multiple trades, hourly vs. project-based, etc.)

Fifth, where there is significant activism for the trades there are people and organizations trying hard to improve the experience and results.

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Post by bandyaboot »

yywwbbn wrote: post #180
mschuster91 wrote: post #146

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So what, even if Amazon pays slightly above a minimum living wage, the working conditions are extremely bad (e.g. no adequate toilets, extremely long walking times towards the break room, drivers being forced to piss in bottles, employees being pitted against each other by a relentless algorithm without respect for differences in age, body strength or whatever). Given that the social security system in the US (and to…

> is setting up shop exclusively in areas with high unemployment, How is that a negative? Would you prefer for those people to stay unemployed?

Also, it’s not true.

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Post by nradov »

rdiddly wrote: post #202
rnikander wrote: post #124

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So rent a room and/or don’t live in the best part of the city. That’s what I did near Boston a few years ago. My rent was well under $1000. Do people think they’re entitled to private apartments in the most expensive cities in the world?

I mostly agree, although are Amazon warehouses in the most expensive cities? My understanding was that they were big and therefore located in spread-out suburban food-deserts poorly served by public transit, where land is cheap and available, and the zoning is lax if you're building an Amazon warehouse and "bringing jobs" but strangely prohibitive if you're thinking of building apartments. Anyway just penciling out t…

Healthy food like frozen chicken, canned vegetables, potatoes, apples, and eggs are widely available and cheap unless you're in a complete food desert.

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Post by chayleaf »

hn_neverguess wrote: post #167
mrjangles wrote: post #83

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>how modern work for a lot of jobs has become de facto indentured servitude...The average worker can't afford anything without taking on debt. For people from other countries wondering about the veracity of these claims, let's take an example: The typical shitty job everyone on here complains about is working at an amazon warehouse. This is a job people with no skills take on. They pay 15 USD an hour. In other curren…

Whoever complains about slavery in the US should look up the 996 working hour system in China (spoiler: 72 hours per week). Why compare ourselves to China and not to a place like Argentina or wherever they take mid-day naps during weekdays? Because you don't want to fall behind in the global economic race. As the world becomes increasingly interconnected, there are going to be fewer and fewer protections for the loca…

996 has been ruled illegal in like August
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