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Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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It feels like we live in such a post-truth world, even the clock will now be an untruth. Couldn't we just use standard time, and let people wake and sleep when they choose, instead of creating an illusion for them?

How is permanent DST an untruth? It’s more of a standard time.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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We did this before. 46 years ago. And it went badly. https://www.mercurynews.com/2016/10/30/the-year-daylight-sav... Why do we have such short memories?

That article doesn't say why it was a bad idea. Are we really rejecting this because it'll be dark at 7:35am? Sorry, but that's not even close to a compelling reason not to do this.

Are we really doing this because it'll be light at 7:35pm?

Sorry, but that's not even close to a compelling reason to do this.

See how easy it is? I can dismiss others' preferences just as easy. Waking up when it's dark out isn't good for people. We should rise with the sun, more or less, and "time" should change to accommodate that.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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We did this before, about 50 years ago. Going in, close to 80% of people supported permanent Daylight Saving Time. After experiencing a single winter, that dropped to close to 40%, and it was repealed. Looks like we may be doomed to repeat the experience. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permanent_time_observation_in_...

I don’t get this at all. Why would people want the sun to go down in the afternoon? In my time zone it sets at 4:30 part of the year! That’s awful, and sunrise is at around 7:00am. We have way more sun in the morning.

Some people have a very difficult time waking up and driving to work before the sun rises.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Personally, this makes me so happy. I have wanted this for so long now. Professionally I'm already groaning inside; it looks like 2023 will be the year of "DST-related bugs being exposed in our product".

2024 apparently.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Such a terrible idea compared to permanent standard time. There is plenty of light during the summer, so there's no need to optimize for that. The winter is when daylight is scarce, so that's what should be optimized for.

This isn't going to effect the summer months. Only winter when we would revert to standard time. If am getting up at 7am its going to be dark I don't care if it dark for another hour . I would prefer more day light after work

No shortage of sunlight up here in Alaska during the summer, so this will make little difference then. I will actually appreciate having an extra hour in the afternoon during the winter. More opportunities for some cross-country skiing after work :)

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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post #411

It feels like we live in such a post-truth world, even the clock will now be an untruth. Couldn't we just use standard time, and let people wake and sleep when they choose, instead of creating an illusion for them?

How is permanent DST an untruth? It’s more of a standard time.

Permanent DST means it'll be off by an hour forever.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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I am an idiot. Would this mean that the time stays as it is right now (after the change from this past weekend)? Because I would love that so much.

Yes, it means we would get more sunshine in the evening during the winter.

And we are going to have to go to bed one hour earlier, and get up one hour earlier, relative to sunset/sunrise. It makes no sense.

Re: US Senate votes unanimously to make daylight savings time permanent

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Back in '08 when the US dates of DST changed, I was working on a Java-based enterprise software product with a relatively large install base. It suddenly became known to a lot of customers that timezone tables are part of the JRE, and simply updating the OS wasn't enough to get proper time calculations in Java. It was a very stressful time getting customers with many different versions of Java across dozens of platfo…

Huh. These days most systems I work with just use a shim into the system timezone tables (I just checked the Qt docs, as that's my preferred way to develop cross-platform apps).

I think the landscape has shifted since the US rules were last changed in 2007. It was awful for pretty much everything that needed to be timezone aware and not just show some local time to a user.

Dates & times were not yet even part of standard C++ (some support started in C++11). Boost got your part of the way there, but it's IANA timezone db support was thin. (It could handle current timezones, but not historical or future). I think MS even support IANA timezone db support on Windows somewhere. Windows' ability to handle historical timezone changes was also pretty limited, and the actually history provided was pretty slim.

While I have no doubt should the DST change be made permanent will cause all sorts of issues with software (I mean, there's plenty of software, especially in embedded that still doesn't take into account the 2007 change), I personally welcome the end of a twice yearly switch. Which direction, I don't really care. I just want the switching to end.

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