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Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by h_meiser_oha »

rodolphoarruda wrote: post #104

May the stars, the galaxy and all forces of nature combined push me away from any Windows OS from now on and, at the same time, pull me towards Debian and its likes.

I'm not a MS hater, but WTF with all the ever growing telemetry, spam and the Edge enforcement efforts. Esp. what they do with Edge drove me over the edge.

A couple of weeks ago I made the first step. Still running Windows 10 as base but with VMWare Workstation running Ubuntu LTS. I do all serious work in Ubuntu. Before that my whole dev setup was on Windows.

Still hesitant to move to something like ESXi (also because of the limits of the free version). But something like this is the next step, I guess.

Or Windows in a Linux VM. I haven't discovered that enough yet. Linux still needs more setup and maintenance IME.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by anakaine »

amanzi wrote: post #338
Melatonic wrote: post #314

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You can still create local accounts - it sounds like it is just during initial setup they require a Microsoft account and internet access.

That's interesting and seems like an easy work-around. Just create the first account with a Microsoft account, and then create your real account afterwards as a local account. Then delete the first account you created and you have no more links to the Microsoft account. Seems too easy.

Theres an assumption here the deleting the online account will not cause any other issues. Id like to think it is so, but it hasn't been so easy at all times in the past.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by hda2 »

oblio wrote: post #273
jksmith wrote: post #266

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I'd love to, and support the project with my bucks, but that seems a bit optimistic in the short term. Getting more and more work done with linux in the meantime. With these efforts, at least my craving for sovereignty is mostly satisfied. With windows I feel like a crofter living on someone else's land.

> seems a bit optimistic in the short term ReactOS was started in 1998, 24 years ago. Just saying :-)

Well, clean-room reverse-engineering something as complex as Windows will take time. I'm sure most are fine using their machines (virtual or otherwise) while they wait however more years until ReactOS reaches feature parity.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by vel0city »

marcosdumay wrote: post #407
vel0city wrote: post #296

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I'm confused about your hypothetical. Why would they have to do that? Could you explain that issue more?

RDPing from a user in one domain into a computer with a user in another domain seems to be very broken. So, the OP is either having problems using a cloud user RDPing into a domain, or connecting his computer into the work's domain and using the same user all the way.

It's not really broken, you just need to define the domain if it's not your current domain. Broken means it doesn't work, but it works exactly as defined. You need to tell it where you're wanting to authenticate against.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by gigglesupstairs »

anakaine wrote: post #412
amanzi wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting and seems like an easy work-around. Just create the first account with a Microsoft account, and then create your real account afterwards as a local account. Then delete the first account you created and you have no more links to the Microsoft account. Seems too easy.

Theres an assumption here the deleting the online account will not cause any other issues. Id like to think it is so, but it hasn't been so easy at all times in the past.

If they’re linking the pro license with the logged in Microsoft account, it may be difficult to remove it or one may need to provide a different Microsoft account with a valid digital Pro license.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by lpcvoid »

Tijdreiziger wrote: post #384
selfhoster11 wrote: post #302

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Yes, which is exactly why you should be fighting against those two as well. I'm doing my bit by not putting much valuable data besides YouTube playlists into my very ancient Google account, and using Linux on the desktop.

For (sane) business e-mail you basically have 3 choices: MS, Google or Zoho. I recently commented on this topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30266721

Why is that? I know people who run large businesses on OVH hosted email. Own domain, SMTP/IMAP goodness, everything just works, cheap and portable. Why would I ever want to ensnare me or my users to a Microsoft owned service?

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by lpcvoid »

alar44 wrote: post #292

Guys, Microsoft doesn't give two shits about home users. Their bread and butter is businesses. And M365 is amazing for business. If you think M$ suxors, you're not the target demographic. I'd much rather manage 200 users with M365 than some fucked up combo of slack, Google, Dropbox, and libreoffice.

There's your error - why use Slack, Google, Dropbox? Why not host a Rocketchat, Jitsi, Syncthing/sftp share and manage that using OpenIPA or some other LDAP server suite? This mindset makes me so sad. We have all the tools we need, yet people still insist on the proprietary cloud garbage.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by yepthatsreality »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #327
yepthatsreality wrote: post #56

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Define “traces”. If it hits Microsoft servers with your reg key, then you’re cooked.

It's not that dramatic. They can't do much with just the reg key.

They can identify you if you’ve ever used any other information with it. Why do you think they want you to have a Microsoft account?

It isn’t dramatic at all, it’s the blatant truth.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by avereveard »

marcosdumay wrote: post #283
vel0city wrote: post #217

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> For example, RDP'ing to a Windows Pro computer with a Microsoft account becomes a lot more difficult. I'm of the exact opposite persuasion. RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier , along with file and folder permissions across network shares and other account related things. I used to have to manage an AD domain to have the same set of accounts across all my various Windows machines. Now that…

> RDP'ing into a computer with your Microsoft account is easier Only if you use the same account on both computers. What means the GP will have to use his work account on his personal computer just to jump into another machine.

And only if you logged it at least once with the password. If you log in with the pins or other hello stuff, the computer won't have the password cached locally and won't let you in.

Re: Windows 11 Pro will soon require a Microsoft Account during initial setup

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

lpcvoid wrote: post #416
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #384

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For (sane) business e-mail you basically have 3 choices: MS, Google or Zoho. I recently commented on this topic here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30266721

Why is that? I know people who run large businesses on OVH hosted email. Own domain, SMTP/IMAP goodness, everything just works, cheap and portable. Why would I ever want to ensnare me or my users to a Microsoft owned service?

I just looked at OVH’s offerings and it looks like their email is just based on Microsoft Exchange Server? [1]

I still count that as Microsoft. It’s the same software, just in OVH’s instead of Microsoft’s datacenters.

[1] https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/emails/

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