The number of comments on this that are just fine with wild authoritarian abuses like this "because vaccines are good" is astounding. People have such idealogical myopia and are shocked and appalled when the same measures are used against their interests.
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#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
> oppose vax mandates why? could you explain your stande on other mandates/requirements and what's this vax mandate does that makes it so different? (eg. you need a passport/visa-like thing to enter, you need clothes, if you arrive by car that needs papers and a valid safety profile, you need to use the seatbelt, and so on)
They shouldn't be necessary if enough of the relevant population is vaccinated and given the risk profiles of current variants. Or if they are necessary, show me the data that supports it. Reaching for a mandate 'just because', is poor government.
> Reaching for a mandate 'just because', is poor government.
This is exactly what happened with the TSA. If people don’t stand up against mandates, like people failed to do after the War on Terror, we’ll still be wearing masks at airports and proving our vaccine status decades from now.
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#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is deceptive. It's not supported by a majority of Canadians, but their message was still supported by almost half of Canadians at the outset, and is still supported by a third. When a third of your population speaks, you should listen if you're a representative democracy.
You should listen to the one-third, but you also should listen to the two-thirds and weigh their opinion appropriately more heavily.
depending on how the survey was asked, just because 1/3 supports X it does not necessarily follow that 2/3 are against X
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#414Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…
Yes, and the emergencies act was required because the police in Ottawa were _letting the protesters violate the law with impunity_. There are multiple _legal_, _judicial_ injunctions in place and the police are failing to enforce them. The rule of law is breaking down and that cannot be allowed to happen.
You mean convoy has so little support even Police officers exercised civil disobedience?
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#415An obvious response to this, that doesn't involve blocking any roads, is for truckers to simply go on strike. Imagine if even a quarter of Canadian truckers just decided to sit at home and not move anything.
They're too few in number to have an impact by striking, which is the reason they are conducting blockades and occupations.
They already haven't worked in a few weeks. If they keep not working, it won't change anything.
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#416Some facts (and a few polls) suggest that the Trucker convoy isn't a broadly popular movement of truckers as much as a well funded tiny minority without broad support even from truckers. First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana... Evidence suggests that funding for this protest is in large part foreign (IE not from canada) and that most canadian donat…
Getting vaccinated, often because you are being coerced by your employer, does not imply support of vaccine mandates.
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#417Earlier quoted context omitted.
Edit: I’ll avoid commenting on other nations events that I don’t understand.
> You don’t believe there’s a distinction to be made for how the protesters were being treated and what prompted the remarks? From https://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/news-why-did-justin-trudea... "Trudeau expressed concern about the Indian security forces' attitude toward these peasant protesters and said that his government has always been a supporter of peaceful protests." "Sikh vote bank politics matters in Canada.…
> If anyone has any videos of the protestors being attacked which would prompt leaders of other nations to condemn, please share. I am from South India, and police using batons/water canons/tear gas is a standard practice even for small protests.
In the old days, police would fire live ammo at protests. I remember reading about "XX number of people shot in police firing" growing up all the time. Indian police of old didn't fuck around; they had been taught by the Brits how to crack down, and crack down hard they did.
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Put the measures being protested directly up for a vote by the Canadian legislature (so they're not just executive actions), if they're not struck down the government should resign / do a no confidence vote, let people elect a new government. Let the people have their voice. If protests continue take actions that let them protest but reduce their ability to be disruptive. With the current dynamics of the disease thou…
The conservative party forced a vote today to drop the mandates by the end of the month. It failed 151 to 185, with MPs voting along party lines (Conservatives and Bloc Québécois in favour; Liberals, NDP, and Green opposed) with a couple of abstentions. https://www.ourcommons.ca/members/en/live-vote?voteId=234
Unless I misunderstand what the motion text means, it did not force a vote on mandates but on whether to come up with a plan to do so!
> That, given that provinces are lifting COVID-19 restrictions and that Dr. Theresa Tam has said that all existing public health measures need to be "re-evaluated" so that we can "get back to some normalcy", the House call on the government to table a plan for the lifting of all federal mandates and restrictions, and to table that plan by February 28, 2022.
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#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
> First 90% of Canadian truckers are vaccinated. https://newrepublic.com/article/165341/fox-news-vaccine-cana ... My understanding was this was about the mandates and restrictions themselves not about the vaccine. I mean I am vaxxed and oppose vax mandates.
> oppose vax mandates why? could you explain your stande on other mandates/requirements and what's this vax mandate does that makes it so different? (eg. you need a passport/visa-like thing to enter, you need clothes, if you arrive by car that needs papers and a valid safety profile, you need to use the seatbelt, and so on)
I'm vaccinated but I have no particular interest in forcing anyone else to be. And at this stage I'm not convinced that having a small percentage of the population unvaccinated will have a noticeable impact on transmission (or even that we should be worrying about transmission anymore).
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#420Headline on the front page of BBC News right now: "Trudeau vows to freeze anti-mandate protesters' bank accounts" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60383385 This feels downright dystopian, especially if the move away from cash and towards centrally-controlled electronic payment systems is anywhere near as widespread in Canada as elsewhere.
That is an exaggerated headline. Accounts being used to fund illegal activities can be frozen. Protesting is not and will not be illegal. Blocking critical infrastructure is illegal.
Because these kinds of measure have never been abused, never, nope, not even once!