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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by iwork3jobs »

pojzon wrote: post #229
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #40

I've been a hiring manager for remote positions for a long time. If your recruiting channels are good, most of your candidates are going to be honest and good intentioned. But interview enough people, and you'll start encountering people trying to abuse remote work. They're not interested in contributing to your company. They're only interested in collecting paychecks while they do as little work as possible for as l…

Its funny because I remember a talk here on ycombinator from ppl who do exactly what you described here. Often extremely smart and talented. Working on own projects/business idea. Their argument is that they can in 1h deliver often as much as you average Joe in a week. “Put as little effort as possible, but I have expenses” Can give example of such ppl in: - Samsung - TomTom - Oracle - Amazon Too many of them tbh. Sl…

So what should I do when I realize that a lot of my coworkers are HIGHLY inefficient? And I can do their work in a lower amount of time? And I have a ceiling on how much I can earn? I just go looking elsewhere in parallel.

OR - I build a startup. But I hate the buisiness ethos.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by foo_barrio »

blindmute wrote: post #237
commandlinefan wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> tangible benefits to more diversity People say that a lot, and even say it's been researched, but outside of product focus groups, I've never seen the actually research that supports that claim.

I don't believe there is any actual research about it. It doesn't even pass the smell test; why would a company of people who have a hard time relating to one another and socially meshing perform better? If homogeneity in a country increases social trust and other positive factors (it does), why are we trying to create the opposite situation in a company?

Why would a company choose to do anything that didn't directly make money or cut cost? Companies often have to be compelled to do things where the ROI is measured in decades no?

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greggman3 wrote: post #375
nradov wrote: post #227

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This is ridiculous. It might be true that there are many great developers that have nothing on github but it is certinaly not true that "actual best developers have little or nothing to point to on github". There are plenty of "actual best developers" who have prolific amounts of stuff on github, directly or indirectly.

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Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by vineyardmike »

Unklejoe wrote: post #100
Out_of_Characte wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Writing your own emails or resume isn't required or expected. Some people have assistants that do a lot of work by proxy of you. Its just very awkward that it becomes noticeable in a negative manner in the workplace.

> or expected That's news to me. I have always assumed the resumes I have been reading were written by the applicants themselves. I guess I was wrong.

Many college hires will use their college's resume writing workshop, and there are also commercial options.

Also, friends and family.

Why wouldn't you get the single most important document in the application process reviewed and rewritten?

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by smm11 »

octobus2021 wrote: post #153

Had similar experience in 2017. We interviewed many candidates (10+) for the position, narrowed down to about 5 in the second round and decided to hire one. All over the phone. Took maybe 2 months. So when the guy shows up in the office my manager was like "Who are you? I never spoke with you.". We made some noise with HR and later Legal and he left right away, and the consulting company we went through had some conv…

Sorry, I thought I could pull that one off.

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Post by macksd »

intpx wrote: post #102
linsomniac wrote: post #46

I once hired a guy who had no experience, but seemed like a good culture fit for our company and seemed very interested in learning. We interviewed him and made e-mail communication a large part of the interview, because it is a critical part of our business. And his communication was great! After hiring, a recurring problem we had was his e-mail to us and to customers were terrible. Bad grammar, bad spelling, uncorr…

I recently went through a round of interviews for a job where strong communication skills are vital. One interview was just me responding to simulated emails in a shared google doc so the interviewer could see me work through the responses. In addition to witnessing my real time edits, I guess they also had the benefit of a higher level of confidence that the product was my actual work effort.

Apparently my coworkers interviewed someone a while back who got pretty far into the onsite interview panel before they realized the candidate was not the same person typing out the code they were seeing on CodeBunk...

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by Seb-C »

rootusrootus wrote: post #56

We had this happen, but it did not get all the way to being hired thankfully. I got on a call to interview a candidate, and he didn't know anything . Like, hilariously unqualified, his knowledge level on software engineering was effectively zero. Fairly short call once we realized what the score was. Immediately the recruiter calls me back (she was on the call as well) and started apologizing profusely. She said the…

I know such recruiter, and like 90% of the engineers I know in my company were hired through him.

I had a very good experience as a candidate as well.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by retah »

In 2014, Indian voters voted for a candidate who claimed he will remove corruption, end poverty and make India better than Japan, South Korea and Europe.

Turned out in 2022, Narendra Modi was a fraud, uneducated and full of ego. He did not know how to do the job at all. He just got the gig by enciting violence in local constituency.

If top posts can be rigged, corporate jobs resume fraud is a child's play.

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by Seb-C »

jawns wrote: post #54

Earlier this year, I was asked to interview a man who was procured through a remote-staffing firm. He was based in Southeast Asia, and on his resume it looked like he met all of the competencies we needed -- including English proficiency. But on the call, I noticed that whenever I asked him a question, he would turn off his camera, pause for 10-20 seconds, answer the question, then turn his video back on. Eventually,…

Reminds me of a senior tech lead candidate I interviewed a few months ago who was like "I don't know the answer, but can you give me a couple of minutes to sort on my thought?". Then very obviously started searching on internet (thinking he was hiding it well enough...).

The question was along the lines of "how do you typically protect your code against sql injections?" (in a language and framework agnostic context)

Re: The new hire who showed up is not the same person we interviewed

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Post by troupe »

blindmute wrote: post #237
commandlinefan wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> tangible benefits to more diversity People say that a lot, and even say it's been researched, but outside of product focus groups, I've never seen the actually research that supports that claim.

I don't believe there is any actual research about it. It doesn't even pass the smell test; why would a company of people who have a hard time relating to one another and socially meshing perform better? If homogeneity in a country increases social trust and other positive factors (it does), why are we trying to create the opposite situation in a company?

My guess is that is it possible to have great diversity of thought and experience while still having high social cohesion.

During the height of immigration in the US, there was high social cohesion within communities of people who came from the same country while still having great diversity of ideas across the nation as a whole.

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