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I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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I think a more apt comparison would be to tell a classically trained English speaking chef to write out obscure recipes in French

The HN Law of Analogical Accuracy: for each attempt at an analogy, an attempt at a more accurate yet more abstract analogy exists in a reply.

If it continues long enough, so we eventually reach a point where the original situation is used as the analogy?

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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> You might as well test a French Cuisine Chef on how well his Chinese cooking is. A way more apt comparison would be evaluating him on his knive sharpening skills.

As someone who has worked in professional kitchens, I can say that any professional chef that isn't comfortable sharpening their own knives isn't there because they love cooking. All of the ones I know take great pride in their knives.

Not a professional chef but I'm a good cook. I try to bring my own knives when I travel to visit friends just in case someone asks me to cook, because most home kitchens have shit knives that are only good for spreading butter.

This is a dicey proposition when flying: Carry-on is not an option so I have to bring my B-grade knives that I won't miss if the airline loses them.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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I left Amazon after 11 months as a new college grad in engineering. As others have noted, Amazon’s RSU vesting structure is blatantly designed with the expectation that many (most?) new hires will leave after only 1-2 years. When I was there, the typical plan backloaded the bulk of the vest amount in the third and fourth year of employment. Contrast this with Google or many other tech employers who distribute RSU vesting evenly across the term of the plan. One of many reasons I’m glad I left such an anti-employee company.

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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They had a quota to fill, and they didn't know or didn't like anyone on that team. Not that that is a justification, but it's almost certainly the reason .

A quota of people who needed to be on PIPs? That's insane.

Just a few months ago it came to light that managers at Amazon hire new people they're planning to fire shortly after, so they don't have to fire people they're attached to in order to meet such a quota.

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-tracks-unregretted-at...

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Tells a lot about company politics. Often times I'm left wondering how come capitalism still survives. Actually, writing this down made me think that big companies (like the FAANG mostly are) are quite anti-capitalistic. I'm not sure how to call them, because sure as hell they're not socialist or anything of the sorts, but it's reasonably clear that many of the theoretical capitalistic principles that many of us know…

Maybe more medieval: building up fiefdoms, power, resources, etc

Needs a catchy name, Capitalist Feudalism? Feudal Capitalism?

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Sure. Just like I trust race car drivers to drive even though they don't know how to fix the car. As long as they understand the basics of how the car parts interact, they'll be just fine driving it.

Good race car drivers actually know how car works and I bet can fix many things. Race car drivers take the car to the limit and understanding how car works is competitive advantage - they can help mechanics tune the car, can diagnose problems that show up only at high speed, understand pro/cons of different suspesions and how they work, etc. On the other hand typical Uber driver does not need to know anything about t…

But they probably don't have a MSc like lot of F1 mechanics do.

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Hey congrats on making it 10 months! "Urgent to not block progress, but also ironic that they are asking a person who has no clue what they are doing to deliver critical work" Friend of mine started a role there (this was 4-5 years ago) and was fired (sorry... more or less asked to leave, being told he could keep his signing bonus if he just left) within about six weeks because he wasn't immediately delivering on som…

10 months in the pit is no joke. I'm on 13 and often wonder how I made it this far.

Plenty of places are hiring engineers for remote roles now, including my employer. If you're able to carve out some time to look around it might be worth it.

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Formatting is a very very distant minor gripe compared to what I think is the main reason this is a problem: versioning. That being said, if it works, it works. If it doesn't work, make a case for why and develop a _holistic_ understanding of the costs and benefits of changing the current process. Maybe you can change it, or maybe you learn why it doesn't change. If it works, but it offends your sensibilities, perhap…

Just a note that many folks on platforms like dropbox / S3 etc turn on versioning of excel sheets if they are in paid status for this exact reason. It's not perfect, but it get's you a lot very very easily. Version - date changed - who edited. Add in the universal flexibility (both function and who can use it). You can hand an excel file off to admin temp staff all the way to the top 3 folks in the org in one file an…

What does "are in paid status" mean?

Re: I took a job at Amazon, only to leave after 10 months

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> I bag on Amazon a lot on here (which if I were to review with my therapist is likely because I had an absolutely HORRENDOUS experience in an interview loop with them my first step out of college that still makes me nervous in interviews, even 15 years later). Hey, I had a similar experience with Google! It was my first technical interview for my first job out of college. The interviewer laughed at my code, and then…

> Leetcode is systematically favoring candidates who have months of free time to memorize arbitrary logic puzzles Finding people who are willing to spend months in order to get the job is one of the biggest reasons companies use leetcode.

I agree, but for many people a six figure job writing code is life changing. So they are willing to study for it.

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Or how impressive their GitHub is. Or another mostly (rightfully so IMO) choice you see here. Set a low bar to hiring but have a probationary period after which you fire a notable percentage.

You still have to decide who gets the probationary period and who doesn't. To figure that out you still have to do interviews and filter. Probationary periods don't solve anything except it makes it easier to fire people before the end is over.

Firing people is not exactly hard in the USA.
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