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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

It also sounds like they’d need proof they colluded with a foreign entity which is a very high bar.

> Those seeking to deny those rights to others

I'd say harassment falls into this category, so no proof of collusion with the CCP is needed.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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> There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. Bullshit. There is not one.

Quick google search: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/234...

>RACE-BASED THEORY.—The term “race-based theory” means a theory that—

>(A) any race is inherently superior or inferior to any other race;

>(B) the United States is a fundamentally racist country;

>(C) the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States is a fundamentally racist document;

>(D) an individual's moral worth is determined by the race of the individual;

>(E) an individual, by virtue of the race of the individual, is inherently racist or oppressive, whether consciously or unconsciously; or

>(F) an individual, because of the race of the individual, bears responsibility for the actions committed by members of the race of the individual.

Have you actually read and thought about these bills, beyond the anti-anti-CRT hysteria? There's a difference between teaching about the history of racism/slavery in the US and doing so in a way that singles out and blames modern white people and white culture. These bills are effectively a response to the overt demonization of "whiteness" that has been increasingly en vogue in our academic (and other) institutions over the last few years. They absolutely do not prevent teaching of history, and are anti-discriminatory - because people have suddenly decided that belonging to an arbitrarily defined majority or "dominant" culture somehow makes you immune from discrimination.

No one should be made to feel guilty for the color of their skin, for the sins of others who looked like them in the past, and that includes white people. The hysteria over these bills is ironically steeped in anti-white racism. It comes from the same place as the diversity seminars where whites are explicitly being asked to apologize for their whiteness.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Well, you have to know something about the law to know when it does/doesn’t apply, and this student newspaper apparently decided it didn’t care to invest that kind of time. I think this is understandable for those of us who don’t prefer to study other countries’ laws. Perhaps EU subjects should seek to improve their laws.

Nah. Speaking as an American ex-pat, it's about Americans being offended that foreign laws have heft and import. It pierces the sovereignty bubble. The Internet is home-grown. How dare other nations dictate to us Americans how we run our sites, amirite? We're gonna take our toys and home.

This is a silly, shamefully obvious straw man. No one is saying “Americans uniquely shouldn’t have to parse other countries’ laws”, the argument is “it’s ruggedly impractical for ordinary citizens of any country to parse the laws of other countries”.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

The administration can’t ban these students because they need the money from these students to keep their jobs.

Imagine educating Americans in America.

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It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

> for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen Masacre You realize the 89' protestors were trying to overthrow the government (thats how you establish the Democracy). No surprise that celebrating failed-revolutionaries is contentious.

I contend that those seeking to overthrow tyrannies are to be celebrated.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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It’s a delusional if you think that in the 50s, there were American agents intimidating their citizens abroad for talking about the Tulsa race massacre . The idea that it is OK for it to take another 50 years before the Chinese can talk about Tiananmen without fear of state reprisal, seems to be an apology for totalitarian oppression.

“Agree with me or its an apology for totalitarian oppression“ Alternatively its just not an apt comparison.

Sure but you knew it wasn’t an apt comparison when you made it, which is what makes it apologist.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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I worked with people from China at a previous job. They came to visit us (South America) and while having dinner I lightly suggested things in China are difficult when it comes to freedom, right? Their facial expression changed immediately. They said it was better not to talk about that. They were who knows how many kilometers from home, not a single Chinese national around to report them, and they still feared talki…

Reminds me of when I was back in high school in the very early 2000's. We had a Chinese girl in our class and during a History lesson about Mao she started crying and yelling that everything the teacher was saying was wrong, that Mao was the greatest leader, etc.

She was not visiting from China, she literally had been in Europe for more than a decade, and still.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

Why do they need proof of being a foreign entity? Just the intimidation should get them expelled.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I would compare Tiananmen Square with the Tulsa race massacre. How many Americans don't know about it? The time I spend in the US I had the feeling that you have more of a pseudo freedom than actual freedom. Everyone keeps saying how free they are and how great their country is yet you can't even drink an alcoholic beverage on the street without getting arrested. You go to a town festival and the people who want to d…

This is what-about-ism. I am surprised you didn't mention that we are less free to smoke in public places!

Here's the thing: Laws about where you can smoke and drink vary from place to place in the US but in every part of them you are free to complain about them. The laws were passed by elected officials. You can start a petition to change them. You can run for mayor on the platform of changing the rules about where you can smoke or drink.

I agree that it is a sad commentary that many Americans don't know about the Tulsa race riot. Yet here we are discussing it. A popular TV show in the US (The Watchmen) depicted it quite graphically. Could those things happen with Tiananmen Square in China?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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The letter is from the president of Purdue, while the web site is a news site that is independent of the university. Also, it’s not really censorship — they have to deal with the GDPR headache, one way or the other, just like everyone else. Simply blocking the EU is a blunt but simple and effective way of doing so, and makes decent sense for a site where the interest is 99% local.

> they have to deal with the GDPR headache What headache? A sensible solution: when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies. Purdue solution: when EU visitor is detected, block them.

> What headache? A sensible solution: when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies.

The headache is convincing someone to pay a lawyer to agree that this is the solution when serving content to the EU is outside your publication's mission.

Also: The Exponent isn't Purdue, it's independent. Purdue chose email as their publication medium.

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