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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by andai »

OneLeggedCat wrote: post #339
sam_goody wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you know, Brendan Eich was CEO of Mozilla and they were flying high. Then he got cancelled, and with it was cancelled the dream of having a real platform that can compete with Google. (Brave, with all of its advantages, is still a fork of Chrome and in that way promotes the Chrome monopoly.) Since then, the new CEO of Mozilla has made herself a lot of money, and she seems perfectly happy to destroy the long ter…

I'd forgotten about Brendan Eich. Thanks for reminding me why I'll try hard to never install any software that benefits him, like Brave.

You'll have to stop running JavaScript, too ;)

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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OneLeggedCat wrote: post #339
sam_goody wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, you know, Brendan Eich was CEO of Mozilla and they were flying high. Then he got cancelled, and with it was cancelled the dream of having a real platform that can compete with Google. (Brave, with all of its advantages, is still a fork of Chrome and in that way promotes the Chrome monopoly.) Since then, the new CEO of Mozilla has made herself a lot of money, and she seems perfectly happy to destroy the long ter…

I'd forgotten about Brendan Eich. Thanks for reminding me why I'll try hard to never install any software that benefits him, like Brave.

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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by hunterb123 »

NoGravitas wrote: post #347
_han wrote: post #267

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When is this expected to go live? I thought we'd be there by now.

It's been "coming soon" for years. It's basically just a greenwashing tactic that never has to be delivered on.

$5 billion+ is staked on ETH2 already. It's delivered, it just takes time to migrate the entire market cap.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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hutzlibu wrote: post #230
laputan_machine wrote: post #227

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https://duckduckgo.com/?q=tank+man&atb=v156-1&iax=images&ia=... seems fine to me. If you are referring to it being blocked in China, well, are we at all surprised that private companies kowtow to autocratic regimes in favor of making more money?

It seems fine now. But the tank man image was blocked for the whole world and not just china. So they fixed this after an public outcry. But you do not know, what is missing now. Thats a reason for me to not trust them anymore.

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Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by sam0x17 »

sph wrote: post #11
eloisius wrote: post #7

I’ve been using Brave search for several months now. I switched the day that it was announced. The quality is fairly good, but I’m having troubling telling whether it’s just my own halo effect or if the initial quality that experienced has started to slip a little as it indexes more widely or something. At first I was impressed with how little spam ended up in top results, but lately exact queries for Python function…

DDG is awful for spam on most searches which can't be easily resolved with a Wikipedia info box. The 3rd result onward is very fishy, content spammy results of very low quality. It's like their algo isn't good enough to separate the wheat from the chaff yet.

DDG also just uses the bing search API for all their results seemingly. They claim to use other sources as well, but in the tests I conducted building Kagi last year, it was always identical to bing. They must have a special deal with microsoft because the API fees at that volume are completely unsustainable, as in the operating costs are 5-10x the theoretical profits from advertising. If they were actually scraping, this wouldn't be a thing: https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/company/ad...

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by Barrin92 »

andai wrote: post #411
OneLeggedCat wrote: post #339

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I'd forgotten about Brendan Eich. Thanks for reminding me why I'll try hard to never install any software that benefits him, like Brave.

You'll have to stop running JavaScript, too ;)

tbf I don't think Eich benefits from JS usage

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by jccalhoun »

yonaguska wrote: post #312

For non-technical searches, mostly stuff relating to news, politics, or Covid, Google is next to useless at this point due to their attempts to combat misinformation. Even their autocomplete functionality guides potential search queries in an entirely unorganic manner. For instance, something may be trending according to google, while simultaneously being blacklisted as an autocomplete option- if it has Any elements…

can you give a specific example?

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by dhosek »

BitwiseFool wrote: post #383
jader201 wrote: post #380

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It’s a bit ridiculous, really. I actually don’t feel the need to ban that many sites. I would probably be happy if I could just ban them. How can one site be so bad?

I don't actually want Google to index as much of the internet as it possibly can. I actually want streamlined indices that are tailored towards thoroughly searching a specific knowledge domain. Edit: I would love, love, love a search engine specifically tailored towards programming questions. One that doesn't treat queries like "C# ?." as me looking for "C#" and getting the most generic results possible.

I had an idea for this where I was building a manually-constructed index of sites kind of like old-school Yahoo (related to typography), and then there would be a full-text search of those URLs and their close relatives (pretty much, the idea being that for a given URL, I'd index anything else in the same URL directory or subdirectories of that URL). I ended up giving up on it largely because time is finite and I have plenty of other projects competing for my time. I imagine something that built on the basic idea though could work, by omitting the Yahoo-style directory and instead working from a collection of vetted URL starting points.

Re: Brave Search replaces Google as default search engine in the Brave browser

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Post by EMM_386 »

skinkestek wrote: post #176

I'm actually tempted to start using Brave. I'm still holding out with Firefox despite Mozilla trying very hard to get rid of us (to the point where the thought has struck me more than once if the current CEO of Mozilla is in the pocket of Google). If at some point the last competing mainstream browser engine is gone I'll probably go for Brave and I might start testing it this week.

> I'm still holding out with Firefox

I have been using Firefox since the Pheonix/Firebird days where you download it and unzipped it to a folder.

I left a few months ago because I just couldn't get the performance where I needed it. I unfortunately had to go to yet-another-Chromium browser and just chose Brave because it seems like it has the right priorities. After installing the same extensions I was using on Firefox it's pretty much the same, it's just faster.

I hate saying that, after two decades of using Firefox. I want another browser engine. We need that competition.

We lost Microsoft. We still have Apple with Safari and I hope Mozilla can hold on with Firefox.

But if Google ever cuts that search funding I don't see a great future.

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