Overly analytical guide to escorting

> If I was in a situation where I could either prostitute myself (legally, in a safe-enough environment like a legal club with a bouncer) or clean toilets (legally, in a safe-enough enviroment)

Maybe that's because you expect yourself to benefit from it as much as your friend or the girl who wrote the article. Will you disagree that decriminalizing it, just like that, will lead to an increase in competition in that sphere which, in turn, will lead to more and more people agreeing to all kinds of stuff which they wouldn't agree to before? The money will still be there, you will just have to "work harder" to get them, consensually, so some other Aella wouldn't be so picky anymore and will be greatful to have a client who will choke her and call a whore.

I didn't watch interviews with prostitutes, but i watched interviews with pornstars. Whether they want it or not, most of them eventually have to bend as they are getting older and most of them are not educated and/or intelligent enough to save money or invest it into something which can help them get out of this. I couldn't find age statistics in porn but the average, 22, median is more interesting though.

> She'd like to get a better accepted job with better job security that she can still work when she gets older

So maybe that's what we need to talk about?

If you had a choice between toilets and prostitution, it would've meant one thing - you wouldn't be as smart(educated+intelligent) as you are now so your chances to benefit from it would've been low and you would've likely ended with cleaning someone's dirty dick with your mouth instead of cleaning toilets with your hands. Considering that this prostitute was/is your friend, she must be educated and intelligent enough to keep your interest. Why was that the only choice for her, btw? Family violence or smth?

> Recycled slippery slope FUD "somebody think of the children" argument, used a lots of times, e.g. when "they" claimed that same sex marriages would lead to people marrying their dogs, daughters and children.

Oh come on, i didn't expect that you will compare child prostitution to "think about children" and then compare it to gay marriage. The fact that you can compare anything to some stupid religious shit doesn't instantly make those things false, it just makes people afraid to use those comparisons and carefully avoid them in the conversations, as otherwise it will instantly turn into "ah, you are one of those idiots! Not talking to you!" I am yet to develop this brain reflex of "no-no-no, can't say the kid word, bad, bad!" as I don't expect people to get the "gay marriage" reflex.

Kids are just another age group, who(for some unknown reason) are protected from this shit by law. Change it to decriminalizing gladiator fights to the death or work for 112 hours per week - it's all the same in the sense of making it all worse, not better. But you say that until someone is standing behind you with a gun to your head it's all consensual.

> I was planning to give you a more detailed response, but after reading this, and the "male capitalist bias" bull post you linked, I am honestly not so keen on spending brain cycles on arguing with you.

I said "smth like", it was night already and I have problems with concentration: seen a canvas of the message which seemed close to what was on my mind but which i couldn't put into words, but didn't see the other part. I don't know what "male capitalist bias" is and i shouldn't have related to the messages i dont understand. Can remove that part from my message completely - it won't lose anything. Point taken, no hard feelings, my fault

>> _In capitalistic society everything can be called labour, including selling people, their organs and their genitals for sex._

>Selling people and selling organs is hardly the same as doing some consensual work for paying customers.

Ah, right, the slippery slope of consensual work.

People who gave me themselves, part or whole, did that consensually. I'm just a retailer who wants to work honestly and without fear. I sell, you buy. I say, if a person wants to sell their organs or themselves completely, then it should be their lawful right, if there was no coercion. After all, what else do we actually own but the meat on our bones?

> I am pretty sure nobody here even made that argument, but I guess it's easier to attack that strawman.

Why is it a strawman? There is literally no barrier from going down or up on social security ladder but the barrier of public opinion and actions. Decriminalizing stuff, the way it is argued here by the majority, is a try to patch the consequence of the problem and avoidance of the problem itself.

And I already said that i agree with decriminalization of the prostitution, as well as one for using heavy drugs, dont know why you ignored that. Considered it irrelevant?

> Oh hurray, Marx is alive!

Ah, sarcasm which is supposed to mean something but the sarcasm itself. I'm not a marxist, but it's pretty obvious, to me, that most people won't do anything until they really-really-really have nothing to lose, whether Marx is alive of dead.

> Sorry, but you cannot eat "empowerment" and you cannot break the chains of "famine" or "overpopulation".

No shit sherlock, maybe the reasons for overpopulation need a solution too? And not by throwing people into bioreactor, using them to fertilize the soil or making soap, but, you know, education and stuff. If 42 millions of prostitutes(in 2012, right now it should be much more than that) are being paid, then those money have to come from somewhere. How about using them for raising the quality of life of the people instead of making them have sex for that security(consensually ofc)?

> What's the goal here? Bloody revolution against capitalism towards a collective utopia? > This would only work if everybody was pure and virtuous, and that's just not the reality.

Wasn't my intention to get into this conversation but ok. The goal is raising the quality of life

You don't get pure and virtuous people by some kind of a switch. It's a longterm goal which should be achieved by increasing the level of education and gradual raise of the quality of life, and, therefore, raising the awareness of society. Right now we have much more people thinking about racism, overpopulation, inequality, global warming and stuff than 50 years ago. Changes are not made by some kind of a global vote, you just need to have a critical mass with enough influence - tetraethyllead gasoline can confirm that.

And, btw, right now we have a choice a choice between bloody revolution for your rights and bloody war for the rights of 1%, haven't you seen the news? And revolutions are much less bloody

> You can make things fairer, and we should strive to do that.

true

> But "breaking chains" rhetoric in this context ...

It really was rhetoric, i had a chance to use it so i did, no harm done. I meant what i wrote above.

> ...is counter-productive at best, and destructive at worst, as well as divorced from reality.

Since when striving for the improvement of the quality of life is counter-productive?

Well they all tour because otherwise they saturate demand after a week or two in a local area. It's not about big disparities in local earning potential. Guys like novelty and even the ones that pick a girl and stick with her can't afford to come all the time.

No, prices are almost standardized, at least in the 'normal' escorting world. I was surprised by this at first. My belief had always been that it'd be super competitive and the hottest girls would charge the highest prices, but it's not like that. Turns out guys don't really care that much about what a girl looks like beyond a baseline level of beauty, which is why so many can get away with hiding their face.

What does matter a lot is what special services are offered (e.g. dominatrix stuff has a different price), and customer retention, which is 100% about whether you're nice and make the guys feel happy. The most successful girls are the ones that develop a loyal customer base. A few men even follow the girls around as they tour, but that's rare. Girls who are cold, uninterested etc don't get repeat custom and exhaust the area quite quickly.

Whether to go high end or not probably depends a lot on how much else you have going on in life. Aella presumably has lots of other projects like OnlyFans, social media etc. This girl was a full timer. It was her job, and she worked pretty long hours (not anymore). She didn't use social media or create websites or whatever. That's normal. Most escorts use ad sites but they aren't creating dedicated websites for themselves. This girl doesn't even use social media at all, not even in her personal life (and never did, and she's not old).

I did ask her once about the high end work but she indicated that at these sorts of prices you could get maybe one client a month, which just wasn't enough to be interesting given she could be making thousands per day reliably by charging a more normal price (a few hundred an hour). And of course with fewer customers you're a lot more exposed to one of them not coming anymore. The people saying "wow $1200/hr is a lot" are right, I suspect only in Silicon Valley are there a large enough percentage of über-rich but unlucky-with-women people to pay those sorts of rates. Most guys visited her around payday, it was a very cyclical business.

If you do ever get to know an escort on a personal level, or especially more than one, be aware that this is a world that will seem - to the average office worker at least - astoundingly racist. It's touched on in the article but is something else that surprised me a lot. All the girls have strong opinions about different races and a large number demand to know a client's race before they turn up and will simply refuse clients of particular races. There is no stigma or shame associated with such discussions or policies. In escorting there are no HR departments to tell people what to think, 'diversity' isn't a thing, they're all independent or at most work with one or two other girls who are just like them. Learning about this made me reflect a lot on to what extent the middle class office/tech world obsession with anti-racism is a function of the heavy level of filtering that goes on at the front door as part of selecting for skills, university, background etc. The belief that everyone is culturally homogenous and race is just a pigment, just doesn't fly amongst escorts. They learn to generalize about their client base very quickly. To them the link between race and culture is both real and of critical importance.

No, these phrases are the right ones and I used them in a very literal sense and deliberately. However, being obvious and not controversial does not imply that there isn't someone who doesn't (want to ) get it. That even happens with mathematical proofs. What annoys me, however, is that you committed the very same fallacy in your reply that I mentioned in the post you replied to - deliberately mixing up highly illegal human trafficking with prostitution in order to somehow argue against the legality of prostitution.

> There appears to be no correlation [...]

Citation needed - but in any case that wasn't the point and you know it. There is no sound argument why people shouldn't sell sex for money, besides religious and other ideological arguments which are not sound (otherwise, why not use them in mathematical proofs, too?). Usually at this point people with ulterior motives shift their rhetoric to arguing that the clients rather than the prostitutes are committing a crime - aka "the Swedish model", where you order a very expensive pizza and it gets delivered by an attractive woman. They then go on to lay out that those clients cause great harm. That's not true either, they cause small harm like in many other stressful customer-oriented jobs such as working as a stewardess. But I'm resting my case here. Suffices to say that going from very high income to zero in a short time is problematic...

> If you’re thinking about seeing escorts

If you're thinking about seeing escorts, you better talk to your close male friends so they can talk you out of it. Work on yourself, and start asking normal women out. Yes, I know that's "scary" but that's how your parents met... (unless your mother is a whore!)

There's a saying which was borne out of experience - "once a whore, always a whore". I actually know of one such case personally. Basically, once a woman tries out whoring and sees the amount of money she can make, any other job where you actually have to put in the effort pales in comparison. So when times get rough, she will go back to whoring. I don't blame them, $200+/hr beats most skilled jobs out there and all you have to do is fake being nice and spread your legs.

I don't get the so called "progressive" people here that are cheering for this kind of self-degradation and dress it up as pity for the poor "oppressed" woman. Leftists will never "blame the victim", it's always some externality that is to blame for a person's woes. Where is personal responsibility? Where is dignity? Making an effort to earn an honest living?

As one commenter here said: "If a woman is poor, struggling to survive or trying to give a child a decent life in a society and economic system that is very sink or swim ...". Why are we are supposed to respect her choice? Why is she even a single-mom in the first place? What about all the other poor women who work 2 jobs? Are they just suckers? Is the poor woman working 2 jobs making a morally equivalent choice as the poor woman who becomes a whore? I don't think so.

I've also seen weird analogies claiming that whoring (renting out your body for money) is just like physical labor, which is fscking insane. How is being sexually penetrated by a stranger, ejaculated on, etc... anything like a man doing manual labor? This kind of abstraction does away with the actual differences on purpose - it's nothing more than a rhetorical trick.

Interesting and insightful information. I wouldn't think $1000/ hour as lot from consultant PoV. The billable hours are only small part of the hours compared to time put in other related work, in this case activities like screening, adverts, keeping fit, healthcare, accessories, photo-shoots adverts etc. At the same time the sense I get from your post is few hundred/hour as mid range and not high end, maybe it is my lack of knowledge of how this works, but to me it feels like even that is expensive/high-end for most people out there.

I am surprised that saturation can happen in 2 weeks. Unless I am completely clueless about this, that is probably maybe 20-25 appointments (having more than sex 3-4 times a day especially professionally(she seemed to do most of the work) must be incredibility exhausting ). Even if more was possible I can't manage to schedule more than 3 external work meetings a day that is not video conference, scheduling definitely must be more challenging than that here.

It seems pretty small pool if saturated after only 20-25? Perhaps the screening process or narrow advertising ability ( only few platforms allow/ expensive) limiting the reach or competition is pretty heavy at this price point perhaps.

What you are describing regarding race is they find putting race a filtering criteria helps keep screening easier (Somewhat analogous to companies only hiring from tier-1 universities etc ). Better screening leads to better results in hiring rather than arbitrary criteria, I can attest to this in hiring, perhaps it applies here as well but it usually cheaper /easier to implement criteria than screen candidates better for companies. If institutional resources don't do it well, independent workers can hardly be expected to do better. I don't think anything is wrong in sex workers applying race or any type of criteria, it is risky and vulnerable business without any legal or social support, they have to err on the side of caution if they can.

I am not sure there has been exploration of the emotional stress and challenges for the client too. Imagine being rejected often(race or not) even when you are ready to pay for sex on top being unable to attract partners normally that would be quite hard to accept for anyone.

Also the amount of personal information clients are expected to share and references they need to have (while I understand why it is being asked) is pretty steep. There are so many vectors this information may leak from and could damage your life/marriage, lead to arrests etc. That has got to be stressful too.. I would be totally paranoid towards sharing any PII, I guess a good chunk of rich men in the valley would also hesitate on that.