Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

economist.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

411–420 of 609 posts

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#411

Post by yibg »

kreeben wrote: post #281
nradov wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am aware that Facebook has done a bunch of bad stuff, and that they own Instagram and WhatsApp. I still don't give a shit. For all it's faults Facebook is still the most convenient way to keep up with friends and family spread around the world, and share my underwater photography. If you engage with Facebook on your own terms and "hide all from" the news / politics / meme pages then it works great. And it's free! A…

>> And it's free! Free, how? As in freedom/beer/something else? Money, you know, is not the only currency there is.

Free in the sense most people use the word free. As in no money required.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#412

Post by stingrae »

amyjess wrote: post #410

The best way to make Facebook clean up its act is to revoke Section 230 with no exceptions. If someone's relative dies to covid because people on Facebook convinced them to refuse the vaccine, the whole family should be able to sue Facebook for wrongful death. Same if someone dies as a result of alternative "medicine" suggested to them by someone on Facebook. If someone gets assaulted after people on Facebook stir up…

I think this would force Facebook to shut down. They are operating at such a scale that no amount of hiring will give them the human moderation required to actually operate.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#413

Post by grvdrm »

ethbr0 wrote: post #373
dr_dshiv wrote: post #368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you keep in touch with them on Facebook? What makes your post reach them, if most don’t check often? I want Facebook for this purpose but it feels like it’s really not a blog. At all.

As someone old enough to remember and have used Livejournal, the Facebook experience is very different.

The LJ community was so great. It was a quirky place that made me feel at home despite publicizing in the "open." It's a community I miss immensely as well. Does any site/platform mimic the magic of LJ?

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#414

Post by amyjess »

stingrae wrote: post #412
amyjess wrote: post #410

The best way to make Facebook clean up its act is to revoke Section 230 with no exceptions. If someone's relative dies to covid because people on Facebook convinced them to refuse the vaccine, the whole family should be able to sue Facebook for wrongful death. Same if someone dies as a result of alternative "medicine" suggested to them by someone on Facebook. If someone gets assaulted after people on Facebook stir up…

I think this would force Facebook to shut down. They are operating at such a scale that no amount of hiring will give them the human moderation required to actually operate.

I'm okay with that.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#415

Post by gundmc »

A fair and well-reasoned article. Fair or not, Facebook's reputation means their actions are perceived as negative and sinister even when there is good reason for them.

At this point I really think Zuckerberg needs to step away from the company and allow them space to try to reclaim public perception and goodwill. I don't see another way forward.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#416

Post by sgregnt »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #26

The biggest component missing from Silicon Valley's discussion of Facebook is its pathological lying. They lied to the FTC [1]. They lied to WhatsApp and the EU [2]. They created an Oversight Board and then lied to it [3]. (These just off the top of my head.) The culture is perceived to be dishonest from the top down. That is why they get bludgeoned more than Twitter, or even Tik Tok. That is what its surrogates miss…

Your language seems unpartial and very biased against facebook. For example, how does you reference [1] shows they lied to FTC? The document cited is the allegations against facebook, was this proven in the court? afaik the case was settled.

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#417

Post by WJW »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #245
jancsika wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would anyone pay to advertise in Economist when they can advertise to "people interested in economics, earning over 150k, last thought about cigarettes three weeks ago" etc. Isn't the economist subscription-based? Regardless, I'll bite: Isn't an important reason because someone wants to signal to the world that "everyone knows" their company is a sexy, category-defining beast? E.g., there are Coca Cola machines…

That’s fairly standard “brand-building.” Ever notice how, when a new movie or album is about to drop, you start seeing tabloid stories, featuring the stars? On the one hand, it can be argued that “people are interested, because of the movie.” Except the stories usually start long before any “official” advertisements appear. It’s about “building buzz,” and the American advertising industry (they refer to themselves as…

> is the best in the world, for this kind of thing.

I don't mean to be rude here, but how do you know? How could you even know? Did they tell you they're the best, by any chance?

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#418

Post by YarickR2 »

amatecha wrote: post #404
wayoutthere wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But ditching my FB account entirely means I'd lose access to dozens of people I wouldn't have a great way of contacting otherwise. That used to be a fear of mine, but after deleting my account I’ve found it to be a core feature. It forces me to be intentional with my relationships; if I want to stay in touch with someone I have to make the effort. Otherwise, the relationship is likely more parasocial than actively…

Yeah, I haven't deleted my account, but I don't log in anymore (and blocked all FB-related domains on my Pi-Hole). I still keep in touch with a lot of people, but it's definitely challenging. I've just totally lost contact with TONS of people, ones who I'd love to keep talking with here and there. I accept the "loss" and do what I can to regain contact with people. Drag them kicking & screaming to stuff like Signal,…

Typical case of spitting against the wind

Re: Facebook is nearing a reputational point of no return

#419

Post by shadowgovt »

hunterb123 wrote: post #388
AlexandrB wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not defending anything. I'm responding to your statement that Republicans don't want to censor speech. > I haven't seen any calls from any Republicans to censor any speech. They very clearly do! Even setting aside the Rubio bill, you did not respond to either the "you must be patriotic"[1][2] or the "obscenity"[3][4] type of censorship that Republicans love to pursue. [1] https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/pol…

1. The big reveal in that article is "No we're not ready to do that yet". Legally yes it may be a freedom of speech issue because it's at a public university, but who wants political stunts at a game. The audience doesn't, no real debate is happening. Not the same scale as political dissent censorship. 2. Sorry can't view due to paywall, couldn't find an archive 3. You can be arrested in many liberal towns for public…

> Conversely, the Democrat party as a whole is currently and successfully crafting a censorship campaign.

Can you support the claim that Frances Haugen is a "fake whistleblower" created as part of a Democrat party censorship campaign with evidence?

Post reply on HN