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How did American “wokeness” jump from elite schools to everyday life?

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Post by tsss »

rgspectrum wrote: post #138
bitwize wrote: post #121

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This is the reality right now. Dictatorships and Juntas arise if enough voters (nerds in this case) are apathetic. The totalitarian (and corporate) Steering Councils that pop up in some OSS projects are rarely elected by a majority. Nasty politicians and the mentally ill apply and get 30% of the votes. The rest of the voters do not apply or care enough to vote them out. Historically, even Hitler never had a majority…

It has nothing to do with being mentally ill. Most mentally ill are not like this. They're just power hungry.

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Post by odiroot »

bennysomething wrote: post #341
andy_ppp wrote: post #221

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I understand this might get downvoted and while I agree with the parent I also blame the contraceptive pill, dysregulation of hormone systems (various reasons), environmental toxins and the general malleability of people when it comes to sexuality at very young ages and for reasons we don’t understand. In my father’s generation the vast majority of men by the time they were 25 years old could grown thick beards now I…

I can't grow a beard, does this mean I have low testosterone levels? I doubt it. Pretty certain my grandad couldn't either.

As a data point: my T levels are completely normal and I cannot even grow a reasonable goatee at 34.

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Post by andy_ppp »

nonameiguess wrote: post #399
andy_ppp wrote: post #221

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I understand this might get downvoted and while I agree with the parent I also blame the contraceptive pill, dysregulation of hormone systems (various reasons), environmental toxins and the general malleability of people when it comes to sexuality at very young ages and for reasons we don’t understand. In my father’s generation the vast majority of men by the time they were 25 years old could grown thick beards now I…

There seemingly are some environmental factors out there diluting testosterone levels (certain plastic seem like a risk, for instance), but pubescent boys are not taking contraceptive. That's a weird specific bogeyman to call out. Don't downplay the influence of interracial mixing in the Americas, where I will perhaps incorrectly assume you live. Large amounts of body hair are not a universal male trait. Europeans an…

In utero it’s possible that unborn children are receiving a dose of the pill when mothers don’t realise they are pregnant, for example.

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Post by joconde »

krona wrote: post #393
joconde wrote: post #133

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Alternative explanation: there have always been as many transgender kids, but they hid it because they knew they'd get bullied by everyone, including their own parents.

If social stigma is no longer an issue, why aren't we seeing transitioning across the entire adult population in equal proportion, and not primarily in children?

> If social stigma is no longer an issue,

Who said that? It's probably becoming less of an issue, but it's definitely not disappeared.

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Post by odiroot »

timonoko wrote: post #112

More weird is that Merican Wokeness is replacing *ness in other countries. Finnish has only one personal pronoun for all sexes, but Woke Finns add American Pronouns to their twitter pages.

Funnily, it seems like some form of 21st century imperialism. But this time it's using cultural tools instead of guns.

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Post by bigbillheck »

narrator wrote: post #322
chki wrote: post #310

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What you describe as "fascinating" is just a crazy conspiracy theory. The link you give also just throws homosexuality and bisexuality in there as well and while not exactly saying that all those things are "unhealthy for a society" basically alledges this in the first few sentences.

These guys interviewing him are right-wing Christians, who are the only people who would ever interview this guy, as he wouldn't get past the woke filter on just about any other podcast, so you'll just have to accept that they're going to have that point of view to begin with. The guy has a lot of documentation for where this all came from out of nowhere. I bought the book and it's fascinating how much documentation…

> I don't know how old you are, but before the early 2000s, the only place that I ever encountered "transexuals" was in San Francisco sex clubs.

The way I remember the pre-2000s there was definitely mention of trans people in popular culture. The big difference is being trans was being treated as the punchline, or otherwise derogatory. (The first example that comes to mind is Tone-Lōc's 'Funky Cold Medina', and also that Aerosmith song https://www.songfacts.com/blog/interviews/desmond-child)

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Post by nonameiguess »

p0d wrote: post #340

As a christian I believe in mercy and grace. And yes, many of us 'believers' have not practised what we preached. Many of us do try however not to be hypocrites. Here's my question. Where is mercy and grace in the midst of wokeness? I want you to believe my christian message but I will not force you to do so. I don't want to introduce laws to force you to believe what I believe. I don't want you to lose your job beca…

You may personally believe in mercy and grace and not forcing people to be Christian, but historically, the entire reason Christianity is so prevalent is Christians traveled to other continents with guns and forcibly slaughtered or enslaved the natives if they didn't convert and took their children away and forced them into Christian schools.

Whatever you think of "wokeness," it isn't anywhere near a level of world-conquering forced gunpoint mass conversion.

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krona wrote: post #393
joconde wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternative explanation: there have always been as many transgender kids, but they hid it because they knew they'd get bullied by everyone, including their own parents.

If social stigma is no longer an issue, why aren't we seeing transitioning across the entire adult population in equal proportion, and not primarily in children?

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Post by sampo »

DanBC wrote: post #195
blub wrote: post #168

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This book’s trying to explain why this is happening for girls: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreversible_Damage

That book relies on the concept of ROGD, which is something that doesn't exist. Anybody pushing ROGD, or supporting other people who push ROGD, is anti-science and anti-fact. You should consider why you feel comfortable pushing something that's obviously bollocks, just because it supports your anti-trans activism. https://www.caaps.co/rogd-statement

> Anybody pushing ROGD, or supporting other people who push ROGD, is anti-science and anti-fact.

This is an interesting case [2]. The concept of ROGD was introduced in an article in a scientific journal [1], by an assistant professor in Brown University. Then there was a strong reaction from people from outside the scientific community (blogosphere, activists). Later, there's been scientific debate back and forth [2]. But it is interesting, if people from outside the scientific community can win the public debate and get to decide what is science and what is not.

[1] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapid-onset_gender_dysphoria_c...

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