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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Not surprised this degenerated immediately into a mass ranting session about pandemic science with pretty much the entire catalog of cognitive biases and logical fallacies on display.

I guess that's interesting to some, from a sociological standpoint, but for me, there's more than enough of this on literally every other social media platform.

I'm interested in a discussion about the actual dynamic of spotify vs youtube dissemination and whether the claims made in the article are valid. Because the entire premise is backed by the "secondary metric" of how many Twitter followers a guest's account grew by -- this seems pretty ripe for confounding variables, like the appeal of the guest, auxiliary appearances elsewhere, the news cycle at the time overlapping with the guest's subject matter, and other things.

Curious what others think of this.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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The CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though. In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths. More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.

CDC is working with limited information on a novel virus. As they are learning more they are shifting their guidance to match the current understanding about how the virus spreads.

CDC knowingly lied about masks, though. They knew internally they should be used to mitigate spread, but publicly discouraged their use.

There was no new information. There were only lies.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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This. I just wish he'd take his enormous reach a little more seriously when he entertains quack pseudoscience as if it's an equally valid POV to real peer-reviewed science.

You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Yeah that's Joe's classic defense. He's part of the "Intellectual Dark Web" (lol...) and he tries to have serious discussions and opinions on important matters. But as soon as someone points out how stupid and misleading some of his takes are, he falls back on the "I'm just a comedian" excuse.

Like someone else pointed out, Bill Burr is exactly what you describe. He's a comedian that discusses these topics but never gives the illusion that he is somehow qualified and someone that should be listened to. Joe does.

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It's only the ads that the podcasters put in themselves. They are not the Spotify ads.

This makes me wonder… would Spotify allow ads in music? Can I upload a music track that has an ad in the middle? Hmm…

I don't have Spotify, but check if The Who Sell Out is there since that has ads in it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Sell_Out

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Kinda curious, do fans .. .care about that? I guess some do but I don't think I ever listen to past podcasts that I've already listened to...

They don't burn books, they just remove them. Those episodes happened, and removing them is a form of gaslighting. If they find the content objectionable then putting a disclaimer, if it is objectionable enough then removing the entire series from the platform could be an option, but it is lost history. In this case the artist doesn't care, and probably is happy to sweep those episodes under the rug. It is like how D…

Aren't they still available on YouTube / elsewhere?

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Joe is "regular people"? He's a sitcom actor. He makes a couple hundred million a year on podcast ad revenue alone. He only presents himself as a "regular" person because that's the demographic he's targeting.

FYI, no, he makes about an order of magnitude less than that, total, from all sources. He made $30M last year.

The trees have been refuted but the forest remains..

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He's had plenty of prominent leftist guests like Bernie Sanders, and most of his comedian and artist friends are left-leaning, and he leans left himself. How is this a gateway to the alt-right? At some point these accusations just become meaningless.

The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

Yeah, you can be so open-minded that every piece of drivel just slides easily through your mind. That isn't being well informed. You actually need good filters and know what they're based upon.

Props to Bernie for taking the battle to the middle ground though and not preaching only to the choir. He kind of got shit on for that as well.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Spotify and Rogan is a key example of how centralization into walled gardens is detrimental. I enjoyed easy, uncensored access to Joe Rogan's interviews and clips from them previously. But without that ease of access, I basically forgot about him. This is despite me being a paying customer of Spotify.

Spotify has also demonstrated that they cannot be trusted, neutral stewards of information ecosystems like podcasts. They've censored/deleted lots of Joe Rogan's interviews, and their left-biased progressive employees have repeatedly protested against Rogan and asked for him to be booted off the platform. There is absolutely no way I will patronize podcasts on Spotify since I don't want to hand such a group the keys to the castle.

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Wait, -paying- users get ads in the US? Then why do they pay?

It's only the ads that the podcasters put in themselves. They are not the Spotify ads.

Even the podcasts that Spotify owns and produces have ads. So in that case they are putting ads in their own podcasts for their own paying customers.
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