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Re: Delta Variant

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Now the question is how do we correct for this? How do we get the critical thinkers in the headlines and fear merchants on the sidelines?

Why would you? If you're a critical thinker who can exploit a knowledge advantage over the world, your life will get better faster than the life of non-critical thinkers, and they, in turn, will have their lives improve faster than that of a critical thinker fighting against the weight of non-critical-thinkers. The optimal strategy for all people unable to determine if they're critical thinkers is to either go with t…

Do you also deliver Xanax with these doses of reality ?

Re: Delta Variant

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> Source? The link I supplied was literally a source: https://www.uab.edu/reporter/resources/be-healthy/item/9544-... > 2. Vaccine side effects show up within weeks if at all > That is not to say that there have never been safety issues with vaccines. But in each instance, these have appeared soon after widespread use of the vaccine began. "The side effects that we see occur early on and that's it," Goepfert said. In…

Sorry, I said "source" when I should have specified "medical study". Your link reads more like marketing towards vaccination fence sitters than actual science. That isn't your fault though, there just isn't science to share. Why? Because we don't have future traveling time machines. There is something quite amazing about your link however. The piece (about long term side effects from vaccines) notes the polio vaccine…

No, its difficult to find studies on something which is literally textbook knowledge.

And nice whataboutism to switch the topic to a vaccine incident from the 1950s, combined with a brand new account, I'm pretty sure I'm arguing with a bot. Have a nice life.

Re: Delta Variant

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Thanks for writing this, I'm still on the fence about taking it for this reason, it was rushed and the longer term implications are certainly still not fully understood. Edit: Again with the downvotes, it's a fact . No one has had this vaccine for 3,5 or 10 years. The long term effects cannot be fully understood until such time has lapsed and studies have been completed. Here, the creator of mRNA vaccines discusses t…

This guy is the self-proclaimed "creator of mRNA vaccines," in the same way that there is a certain self-proclaimed "inventor of email" with whom we're all familiar. His role in the development of the technology that eventually became mRNA vaccines appears, however, to be relatively minor, and it lies decades in the past.

It would be fair to say he would have a pretty solid grasp on the basic concepts behind the medicine, probably more than most people in the comments sections of the internet :)

Re: Delta Variant

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Don’t attack people, it just weakens your comment. You’ve not really added anything useful to the discussion unfortunately. Saying someone speaks to right wing people means nothing to me.

There’s nothing in there that’s an attack, but wow, you are an asshole. There is a good faith engagement and persuasion in there, and you respond with this? Fuck off, you’re what’s wrong with society.

> This guy is not the creator of mRNA vaccines, he’s just a guy who did something slightly related with mRNA forty years ago, and is now trying to ride the wave to money.

He seems to give plenty of time to people who don't seem to have any money to offer. I don't know what evidence you have to support any of your claims. For all you know he is a really good, concerned person, why assassinate someone's character like that?

If one can't attack the arguments, it's easier to attack the person I guess?

Re: Delta Variant

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It might not be a big deal if you get COVID but it would suck to be the immunocompromised individual (or a friend/family relation to the individual) who might get COVID from you.

That person would presumably be vaccinated, thus they wouldn't get the virus from him. Why does everyone talk about how the vaccine works, but then use this argument against people that don't want to get the vaccine?

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It might not be a big deal if you get COVID but it would suck to be the immunocompromised individual (or a friend/family relation to the individual) who might get COVID from you.

Yep, that would suck for them. Anyone who is fearful of getting covid should get the vaccine. If they get vaccinated and I still end up transmitting it to them, then that sucks, but again, people get sick and that's life. I'm willing to acknowledge my selfishness in this matter.

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Re: Delta Variant

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Are you looking at cases instead of deaths?

No, I'm not. At the end of May, there were about 6 deaths daily. Now it's about 34, and rising exponentially. In two weeks it'll be 100 daily deaths.

I see. Let’s hope for the sake of the UK that there is some noise in that data. We expect greatly improved care with such small numbers compared to the prior waves.

Re: Delta Variant

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In the EU for major countries you can get vaccinated any time, it's the same reasons as in the US some people just don't want to.

It's a bit more complicated. In France vaccination has only been open to everyone one month ago, (and those people − including me − only had one dose so far) and in the UK the waiting time between the first and second dose is roughly twice higher than in most countries, which means there's still a significant fraction of the population that just can't get fully vaccinated yet (my brother must wait another month befor…

Some regions fast forwarded the government given the prevalent hesitancy among vulnerable populations.

Here it was open to everyone 2 months ago.

Re: Delta Variant

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The article purposefully conflates numbers to tell a narrative. I am talking only about EU, and at that southern EU which is where I've been following the numbers closely. Delta variant has been acting for up to 1 month in some regions, and as described in the article yes cases are up very quickly. However, the article says: > COVID deaths [...] And if you think Europe or the US will be spared This is not reflected a…

Another issue which this article ignores, and so does the fear mongering clickbait media, is how many asymptotic people we are testing now vs 6 months ago or a year ago. It’s way more. The UK especially is testing like crazy. But that means a lot more cases appear in the statistics than before, even if the R rate is only marginally higher. We simply don’t know what the actual r rate of all the different variants are…

> Also, wtf happened to cases in India? It’s not exactly all that catastrophic any more. In fact by the time the media had their 2 week India is dying narrative, cases declined.

Media may cry wolf, whether there is one or isn't. But trust me it was a tough time for India this time. I live in Bangalore. And for the "2 weeks" you mention, there was severe Oxygen shortage in hospitals in most cities. Patients could not get beds in time. There were queues outside funeral homes and graveyards. It was hell.

I am not the one to panic easily. And kept on going for my runs during the first wave in 2020, when Alpha was there. As the curve was so flat. Please note case numbers can't be compared, but you can compare positivity rate (positives/tested) and fatality chart[1].

The 2021 Delta wave in India was approximately 4 times severe by all measures. Because of the shortage of Hospital beds and Oxygen, many more people ended up dying than what normally would have.

I know several of my relatives including a 42 year old strong built man who died (his O2 count was 30 unfortunately by the time he got to the Hospital). There are numerous fund raisers going on for people who died. In few cases both the parents dying.

Yeah it was a short wave mercifully. But did a lot of damage. If you just search you can see images of bodies floating in rivers, as the people didn't have means to do last rites etc.

Also the actual span felt like 6 weeks. There was panic as the curve was so steep, and it was spreading like wild fire from the the west (Maharastra/Gujarat) etc to the east. And the peaks at different places were at different times. So the period starting April beginning to May 20th or so was pure nightmare.

Even if one was not affected by the virus. As thankfully in my family's case, there was this fear of not getting a hospital bed/Oxygen cylinder should there be a need.

Overall, I agree UK looks much better thanks to being vaccinated. Although I would say, one needs to keep observing for another month, before making a call, and if by then the fatality curve remains flat, then we can call it a big success.

PS: I got vaccinated after the wave. Only dose 1 yet. And ended up catching delta variant 2 weeks after that. Thankfully, a mild one. But I still wonder how I got it, as I remained very cautious through out. N=1, delta is very very contagious. But yes, if you are vaccinated, no need to worry too much.

[1] https://www.covid19india.org/ (Look at the bottom most curve on the right hand side for positivity chart of the two waves)

Edit: A point regarding fatality numbers in India in the 2nd wave. They were under reported by some multiple. There are various articles comparing total registered deaths during months of the 2nd wave in 2021 with previous years. And there is a sharp bump in the figures, which shows that fatality was severely under reported.

Edit2: Now the same playbook is playing out in un-vaccinated Indonesia unfortunately, with Oxygen shortages and everything. I think, in another month when we compare how delta plays out in UK and Indonesia, we would have several answers to questions of effectiveness of vaccines etc.

Re: Delta Variant

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It might not be a big deal if you get COVID but it would suck to be the immunocompromised individual (or a friend/family relation to the individual) who might get COVID from you.

That person would presumably be vaccinated, thus they wouldn't get the virus from him. Why does everyone talk about how the vaccine works, but then use this argument against people that don't want to get the vaccine?

Immunocompromised might not be able to get a vaccine because the mechanism for vaccines is the immune system, which tends not be be working so great in the immunocompromised.
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