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European Parliament approves mass surveillance of private communication

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They haven’t finished the deregulation bit yet. They need to do that so they can hide the funding streams and private market involvement. Watch this space.

Once Great Britain was into surveillance even before EC formation and socialist since 1970s. Ingsoc even have TV set tax and the suspicion on owning TV set is valid base for search warrant.

You do realise you can tell them to fuck off?

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I think that "fundamental" doesn't mean "naturally occurring" or "universal", but rather "foundational", in the sense that more nuanced rights are based upon their basic principles. So for example we have the principle of "freedom of speech", which might be accepted by courts and society as including a right to publish literary works that some deem offensive, but that could be considered a subsidiary or supplementary…

The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms actually enumerates the "fundamental" freedoms separately: freedom of expression, freedom of religion, freedom of thought, freedom of belief, freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of association. Contrast these with the rights enumerated e.g., democratic rights (the right to vote), legal rights (freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, right to counsel), mobility ri…

Do you mean that fundamental rights are anything we want them to be ? So if we want, we could decide that the right to be free of criminal activity (particularly ones that encourage or lead to degradation, depression, death, etc. of children) is more fundamental than the right of privacy ? I think there's something more to being fundamental. Otherwise it seems all very arbitrary. Calling something fundamental could change at the whim of the majority.

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While true, an adversarial government can pass new laws to restrict access or installation of software it deems dangerous. Politicians, uh, find a way.

It wasn't that long ago that encryption was banned in France.

Source?

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> Previously secure end-to-end encrypted messenger services such as Whatsapp or Signal would be forced to install a backdoor. This is surely a fantastic extrapolation of this author. The chance of this happening is zero, which is also the chance of this being explicitly stated in the legal text. It would be a disaster of course. And extremely controversial. Which is why it doesn’t just get passed under the radar, eve…

But it did get passed under the radar. No one knows about this except for techies, and even then it was quite easy to miss.

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> Previously secure end-to-end encrypted messenger services such as Whatsapp or Signal would be forced to install a backdoor. This is surely a fantastic extrapolation of this author. The chance of this happening is zero, which is also the chance of this being explicitly stated in the legal text. It would be a disaster of course. And extremely controversial. Which is why it doesn’t just get passed under the radar, eve…

But it did get passed under the radar. No one knows about this except for techies, and even then it was quite easy to miss.

The legislation would not have passed under the radar if it does what the author claims e.g require backdoors or similar.

The reason it didn’t raise many eyebrows is because it doesn’t mention this.

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> one I'll give you three: Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

None of those except life is “part of the innate nature of human beings”. Death is also part of our innate nature, but you did not mention that one.

When someone enslaves you, then, you have no right to complain about it.

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But it did get passed under the radar. No one knows about this except for techies, and even then it was quite easy to miss.

The legislation would not have passed under the radar if it does what the author claims e.g require backdoors or similar. The reason it didn’t raise many eyebrows is because it doesn’t mention this.

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/message-screening/?la...

> For autumn 2021, European Commission announced that it will propose a follow-up legislation that will make the use of chatcontrol mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers. This legislation might then also affect securely end-to-end encrypted communications.

So far nobody is reporting on this.

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The legislation would not have passed under the radar if it does what the author claims e.g require backdoors or similar. The reason it didn’t raise many eyebrows is because it doesn’t mention this.

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/message-screening/?la... > For autumn 2021, European Commission announced that it will propose a follow-up legislation that will make the use of chatcontrol mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers. This legislation might then also affect securely end-to-end encrypted communications. So far nobody is reporting on this.

So he is outraged by this and the worst thing is… not in this legislation but in a potential follow up legislation that might contain those bad parts?

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> how is a right fundamental? They are inalienable and bestowed by their Creator. I.e. they are part of the innate nature of human beings. Governments can either protect those rights or abrogate them - it cannot invent them. And yes, they stretch back to when humans became human. Though it took a while for people to formally recognize them.

I have no rights unless others recognize and at least tacitly agree that they have obligations with respect to those rights. As the only person left in the universe (after some cataclysm), you'd be left with obligations but no rights. The obligations would include those that arise from within yourself to prevail and try to survive as best you can. Rights? Well, who would be granting those? The innate bit refers to ob…

If rights are merely a fabrication of government, then it should be possible to create a communist society that works as well as a free society.

But they don't. Not even close. Something is fundamentally wrong with communist societies.

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https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/message-screening/?la... > For autumn 2021, European Commission announced that it will propose a follow-up legislation that will make the use of chatcontrol mandatory for all e-mail and messenger providers. This legislation might then also affect securely end-to-end encrypted communications. So far nobody is reporting on this.

So he is outraged by this and the worst thing is… not in this legislation but in a potential follow up legislation that might contain those bad parts?

At this point I'm assuming you are arguing in bad faith. Again, no one is reporting on this. People should be made aware that if the vote happens, they can nag their reps beforehand. But they aren't being made aware.
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