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I hear you, but both of those sentences are there for a reason. Without the first I'd be getting lots of "how is it inaccurate?" responses, and without the second I'd be getting protests about moderation practices. My intention was to give enough information (I'm not saying it's a lot) to preempt avalanches of predictable objections. I'm sure I could have done it better, though, because this was far from what Scott a…

You could just say “As there is a conflict of interest, I will not comment on the substance of this tweet.”

But then he couldn't subtly minimize or delegitimize it.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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>That is obviously not at all what I said. You said, and I quote: "Normally, of course, we'd downweight this sort of petty drama. " So I responded with statement that at its' core means that any biased entity would say this to protect their own reputation regardless of whether it's true or not. I'm not saying what you said isn't true, but given your position there is conflict of interest. This is what someone in your…

Please chill. If you've never moderated a forum, you should start realizing that moderation is key to having a good community. Cherry-picking statements and acting like this is not appreciated. Fyi: I've been banned once and thought it was justified. They've done an amazing job to keep the community healthy and that's really hard to do. What Dang mentioned seems pretty clear: we won't moderate this because it involve…

I am chill. You're misinterpreting things.

It's perfectly reasonable things may never go perfect. However. Things become sketchy when Dang changes the title and pins his own opinion at the head of the comment section.

Gossip and news are literally the same thing. It feeds and lights up the same areas of the brain. It's hard to say whether this is gossip or news because from this guys post it looks like he got kicked out of YC for trivial reasons. It can potentially say as much about the reputation of YC as it does about the guy who got kicked out. That sounds like news to me.

>Cherry-picking statements and acting like this is not appreciated.

You know I make a huge effort not to cherry pick anything. But it's inevitable things are usually interpreted this way because of the medium of communication or my own trouble with articulating the meaning of what I say. My experience is that when you "think" someone is cherry picking words on HN, usually he's not doing it on purpose and that's how he actually interpreted what you said.

Look carefully at what I wrote. The only thing I am doing here is presenting a valid opinion that goes against the grain of public opinion. There's nothing else going on yet it's exploding into some kind of drama where you're telling me to "chill".

Consider the fact that the bias lies with you. You interpreted my comment as not "chill" when I'm literally just calmly typing my thoughts. I am calm, but why did you insert emotion into my words where none initially existed? Because you are biased. My guess is that you injected hostility into my words because my opinion is simply against your opinion.

It's normal human behavior to interpret a difference of opinion as an attack. I point this out to you so you can better understand yourself and to not classify a unique opinion as an attack. This is my interpretation of what's going on with you and I think it's pretty accurate.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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This is really distressing, especially considering the ongoing public behavior of the original founder. Kicking out Paul seems like the opposite reaction for YC to have. It would be helpful to hear a public comment from them about this situation.

Glad to see ycombinator shut down these outrage trolls. I drove someone to what I suppose was one of these clinics. Was pouring rain. They had shots left over. Clinic staff said please get a shot. The one problem - their form didn't have a spot for leftover shots, so they had to lie about my eligibility.

These doses are ones that otherwise be thrown away. At that point, it is more ethical to give a shot than not. The situation others are discussing is not that.

Giving context as someone who has worked on COVID vaccination sites. The above isn’t common knowledge so can be misconstrued.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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post #398

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> “petty drama” speaks volumes Big time agree here. The comment was substantive and succinct. Saying it was “petty drama” in the top comment sets a tone for the convo.

>Saying it was “petty drama” in the top comment sets a tone for the convo. Top comment is the top comment because it was voted to the top. One doesn't say anything in a top comment; one says something in a comment which may become the top comment.

'dang may have pinned the comment to the top to make clear that he had changed the submitted title to the tweet and be open that he had done so. From what I've observed, pinning comments in this case isn't uncommon.

Edit to add: as 'Nicksil kindly pointed out, 'dang made clear he didn't do this in this case.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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His defense was:

> 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the country.

> 2. I asked them about eligibility and told them I don't clear CA guidelines. They told me it's first come, first served with an ID showing I am 18+.

I am not buying this. Why would they even go and ask for eligibility when they know very well they are not eligible?

The only reason would be to hope to find a loophole.

The whole vaccine situation in CA was an excellent test of character. They failed it.

Not surprised that a YC founder thinks that rules apply only to others and not themselves. The antisocial gene is strong in this one.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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The behavior he's calling out is obviously abhorrent. But isn't this more due to him airing dirty laundry in public? If this is his last recourse after consulting internally to try and deal with this, then I get it. But there is definitely a trend (maybe not by him) of people running to social media with their complaints before discussing them with those involved. If that is the case i would understand his being sanc…

Given that the people in question lack apparently any sort of civic virtue or else they wouldn't be engaging in this behaviour in the first place, where else do you propose one exposes dirty laundry other than in the public? This is exactly why people in positions of power are afraid of transparency and why there is such a anti-media bias in the tech industry.

You're assuming the truth of one side in the matter, with very limited information.

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I got vaccinated at one of these West Oakland "first come, first serve" vaccination sites back in March. They were administering J&J vaccines (which do not thaw) with no residency check, and not even a poster saying "please don't line up unless you live in this neighborhood." No statement of intent at all. Others standing in line asked coordinators walking the line, "Am I eligible here?" and the coordinators responde…

EDIT: I was mistaken here, corrected by a response below. - I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about neighborhood residency without inviting lawsuits. The best they could do is place vaccination centers in more convenient locations for underserved communities, and hope that it could raise the rate of vaccination in the vicinity. I think there were people assumin…

> I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about neighborhood residency without inviting lawsuits.

Zuckerberg Hospital in SF was offering vaccinations to targeted zip codes ahead of schedule, and they were verifying residency.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

#418
post #370

I don't get it.. the vaccine is available to everyone 12 and up now. You can make an appointment or find a walk in clinic. https://myturn.ca.gov The governor opened up vaccines for everyone on April 15. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2021/04/15/all-californians-16-now-el...

Original tweet is from March

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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post #414

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>Saying it was “petty drama” in the top comment sets a tone for the convo. Top comment is the top comment because it was voted to the top. One doesn't say anything in a top comment; one says something in a comment which may become the top comment.

'dang may have pinned the comment to the top to make clear that he had changed the submitted title to the tweet and be open that he had done so. From what I've observed, pinning comments in this case isn't uncommon. Edit to add: as 'Nicksil kindly pointed out, 'dang made clear he didn't do this in this case.

>'dang may have pinned the comment to the top to make clear that he had changed the submitted title to the tweet and be open that he had done so.

But he hadn't as was said in this very thread:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27401409

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

#420
post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

'dang may have pinned the comment to the top to make clear that he had changed the submitted title to the tweet and be open that he had done so. From what I've observed, pinning comments in this case isn't uncommon. Edit to add: as 'Nicksil kindly pointed out, 'dang made clear he didn't do this in this case.

>'dang may have pinned the comment to the top to make clear that he had changed the submitted title to the tweet and be open that he had done so. But he hadn't as was said in this very thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27401409

Ah, cheers! I stand corrected.
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