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Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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So, it took some digging, but here is the text https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:luIscB... As you can see, it's a quite well written critique of Israel, and it is definitely NOT anti-Semitic. I find it quite ironic that it took Google's cache to find the thing Google itself wants canceled

Kamau Bobb has removed ALL of his blog posts. I think he himself is afraid of the reaction of many of the things he's written.

Cancel culture does that to people.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #89

Somewhat tangential, but who is the right kind of person for a diversity job? What does a job well done look like? Changes in hiring? Changes in company culture? I'm skeptical of roles with a "my job is to care about X" kind of definition. That includes, for example, "customer advocate" and similar, especially someplace as complicated as google. I don't think they can have much success beyond the surface level. EDIT:…

> but who is the right kind of person for a diversity job? > I'm skeptical of roles with a "my job is to care about X" kind of definition. Reframing it a bit (admittedly slightly off, but to get the point across): "Who is the right person for a job all about caring about race?" ...I don't think anyone seeking that role should be hired for it.

Good point. But a serious company in which everyone is a nice person could still have D&I specialists like a training expert in charge of improving the masses or a statistician/manager in charge of monitoring and reports.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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I read the blog post and while the author's tone was a little bit harsh, I really doubt it can be called anti-semitic. I guess that's why they re-assigned him and he wasn't fired. You probably don't want a "head of diversity" to be controversial in that way.

That was one of the most heinous, blatantly bigoted screeds I'd read in quite a long time. There isn't anything defensible about it.

Does mild criticism shake you to your core, or something?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #76

Wow, 14 years ago. I hope the current progressive correct-thinkers realize the takes they make today have to hold up over a decade from now, otherwise the next wave is going to cancel them.

Sarah Silverman's blackface sketch that lost her movie roles in 2019 was from 2007.

Alexi McCammond's tweets as a 17 year old were made in 2011. She had already publicly apologized for them in 2019.

James Gunn's old tweets were from 2011.

Josh Hader's social media posts were from 2012, while in high school.

Hartley Sawyer's tweets were from 2014.

Where is that line?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> women's innate biological tendency towards neuroticism What the actual... Are you serious right now? Men kill women and other men at much, much higher rates than women kill men or other women. What does that say about the the "innate biological tendencies" of men?

It's universally acknowledged that men are more violent than women.

Would saying so at Google get you fired?

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't understand this viewpoint as it completely ignores the history of humanity. "Cancel culture" has been used for many centuries to silence dissenters. Take a look at Galieleo as an example. He was excommunicated or "canceled" by religious organizations that held the primary means of power. He was even forced to recant his positions by these groups. How is this any different than today?

Is the cancellation of Galileo by the Church a good example? A way a civilized society should function? If not, if we consider historical examples like these as failures of past societies, then things "not being any different than today" suggests our society is also failing.

My response was around "cancel culture" being a new phenomenon, as posed by the parent comment. I am not suggesting that this is a good or bad behavior, just that it has existed for a long time and nothing is new about it.

So, yes, in the context of my post the Galileo example is a good example IMO.

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post #344

What I find most absurd in all of this is the utter stupidity of beliefs in entirely man made fairytales that have been causing nonstop wars for the past few thousand years. Maybe eventually, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, and any other gullible belief systems in fake sky people, written by total nutcases 1k+ years ago and miraculously still followed today, will end. Believing that you're somehow superior t…

It's not about the literal beliefs of religions. It's about having a 'tribe' or in-group. That was helpful to our survival as a species, and that instinct has not gone away. If it's not religion, it's political ideology, national identity, ethnicity, or allegiance to a football team. We love defining the world in terms of 'us' and 'others.' The trick is in finding a way to live (and dare I say work) in proximity with 'others.'

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

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post #344

What I find most absurd in all of this is the utter stupidity of beliefs in entirely man made fairytales that have been causing nonstop wars for the past few thousand years. Maybe eventually, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Mormonism, and any other gullible belief systems in fake sky people, written by total nutcases 1k+ years ago and miraculously still followed today, will end. Believing that you're somehow superior t…

Religion made sense back in the day. Life was hard and short, and we didn't know what would happen afterwards. Today, people work their butts off because they know (hope) they'll be able to enjoy life in retirement - back then, people endured life hoping that they'd enjoy afterlife.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

#419

Live by the sword, die by the sword. That said, firing him, like they did with Damore would have been more consistent. Because everyone is under arbitration agreements that always benefit the company, vs the courts where you might have a shot at justice, they have no incentive to do that. As repugnant as his past anti-semitic rant was, people change and sometimes say and do stupid things. In a sane world this guy wou…

I don't get the comparison with Damore, his hobby sociologist bad takes were recent, ongoing and deeply embedded into his job.

Re: Google removes its head of diversity after 2007 blog post surfaces

#420

> As repugnant as his past anti-semitic rant was, people change and sometimes say and do stupid things. In a sane world this guy would not have been removed from his position and Damore would not have been fired. Instead we could have had a conversation to win hearts and minds, but today it is all about getting scalps, witch hunts and over-reaction. What we are currently doing sends people underground which radicaliz…

Looks like you just answered your own question.
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