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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by wombatmobile »

whymauri wrote: post #256
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

>It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. I got a rental car recently and they gave me a bright red pickup because it was the fastest option. I was surprised by the good vibes I got from all the other pickup drivers, lol. It's like I got inducted into a secret club for a day with a lot of waves and thumbs up. A woman went up to my group in a parking lot and said something like "Hell yea…

I had the same experience when I bought mine.

My self concept changed. Suddenly I was someone who could move anything anywhere. I felt like an animal that had crossed over into a new phylum.

Now I’m someone important to all my friends, and I have new friends. I’m in the club, wherever I go.

Nobody tailgates me. Life is good.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by bluGill »

ben7799 wrote: post #349
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

Depending on how you drive and what options you get (engine is the big one), the F150 may well get the same fuel mileage if you are barely getting 20mpg.

Though the real answer is a truck for times when you need a truck, and bus/bike for everything else. Too bad transit in the US is in general horrible.

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Post by Unklejoe »

leesec wrote: post #230

I'm really happy Ford and others are starting to actually deliver on EV's. I do however think there will be a long list of issues as they scale the roll out, given the newness and complexity of this product. Here are some concerns I think people should be aware of: 1. No comprehensive supercharger network. This is a real big deal still. Using existing non-supercharging networks is not feasible for any long distance.…

Autopilot is commonly lumped together with electric cars, but they’re really two completely unrelated things.

It just so happens that one of the most popular autopilot implementations is on Tesla, but it could have just as well been implemented on an ICE car.

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Post by Cshelton »

itsoktocry wrote: post #394
ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

> transparent info and pricing Sure, "transparent" pricing that can change on a whim, even after you've purchased the product. "Take-it-or-leave-it" delivery if you find flaws with your car. > Step three is me checking on the cyber truck status. Let me know when you take delivery of a Cybertruck for <40k, similar pricing to the Model 3, like the "transparent info" claims.

Tesla does not really have "Model Years". The vehicle is constantly changing week to week, and priced so. You just need to buy when you want and be happy with the product. Just like an Iphone!

Also, other car manufactures actually change their prices all the time based on cost of materials, shipping, etc. The Dealer will change the price based on inventory space, cost to hold, etc. You just don't see it as much because it is hidden behind Dealership "Deals" and "Promotions" that come and go.

Traditionally, it has always been the best to buy a vehicle at the end of the year, when the dealers are trying to make room for the next "model year".

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ben7799 »

ianai wrote: post #393
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

Have you considered renting a truck for a day or two around those events? I think the rate I’ve seen is like 20/day.

I have rented trucks and cars plenty.. it would be quite a bit of a hassle for a lot of these jobs though. The traveling back and forth to pick up the rental and then take it back would add significant time and require someone else to take me back and forth. $20/day would rent a truck like an F-150 plus extra costs for mileage. (not a big deal at all.)

It's not necessarily worth it with my Outback, which is itself a large car that city folks would sneer at.

But until this F-150 EV was introduced I was pretty much fully convinced I was buying a Tesla when my Outback needed to be replaced.

Spending $40-50k on a Model Y vs one of these F-150s is a whole different scenario, that's all.

Gas F-150 I'd feel like a jerk on my commute, EV F-150 I would not, I'd feel better than doing the same in my Subaru, and in many ways it would fit my use case better.

My Outback was < $30k and it's 8 years old. Putting dirty stuff in the back of it is not the same as putting dirty stuff in a brand new Tesla.

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Post by jrsj »

seem_2211 wrote: post #383
Someone1234 wrote: post #307

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I could legitimately see every job site having at least one as a rolling power station. That could be a very useful and popular niche, construction sites without power at early phases of construction aren't rare and power tool batteries are expensive.

I would be really interested in understanding the breakdown in F150's as sold by model number. For a lot of truck owners, there's going to be some resistance because they love having a v8 engine etc. I don't see those people moving over quickly (although they might be swayed by the acceleration/speed). But if you're using one as a tradesperson, this seems like an absolute no-brainer. You're not driving enormous dista…

Many new trucks have used turbo V6s instead of V8s for awhile now. There’s definitely some buyers who just want the sound of a V8 or don’t quite trust the reliability of a twin turbo BUT I think more people would be open to electric than you would think, even in people primarily just using them for transportation

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Post by ctdonath »

perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

“Machismo” might be why Tesla went with the dystopian styling for Cybertruck.

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Post by carabiner »

sharkweek wrote: post #397
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Here in Seattle, I have one close friend with a pickup, everyone else drives Subarus (no exception). But in all seriousness, he gets asked about 1.5x a week if someone can borrow his truck, it's insane how far this "ask" stretches itself. It drives him a little bonkers, but he's also a pretty nice guy so he says yes more than he should. Anyways, I'd probably buy a smaller pickup because of how often my partner buys a…

Many Tacoma owners in Seattle (fun fact, Tacoma is the native name for Mt. Rainier). I'm one of them. I've owned it for 7 years, 3 in Seattle, and I've never once been asked by someone to borrow it. Guess I must be a loner. You can rent a cargo van from UHaul without much trouble.

Also, I have to laugh at all these anecdotes about owning a pickup as a personality trait. I wasn't inducted into some pickups dudes club when I got mine. People haven't treated me any differently - still a nerdy, introverted guy who does a lot of outdoors sports. I drive to the grocery store or trailhead or city park in my truck, do my thing, and go home.

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Post by igetspam »

JohnWhigham wrote: post #234
mfer wrote: post #108

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Trucks very much have a place in society. Farmers, construction workers, and some other areas definitely need them. The trend that they need to be an everyday vehicle for anyone is something that should be looked at. What is the psychology and intentional planning that's caused this shift? What subtle population engineering has lead to this without people realizing it?

>What is the psychology Americans want it because everyone else has one. Down here in TX, the number of pristine trucks that have never seen a speck of dirt, never had anything in the bed, and that are parked on their 1/8 acre lots in the city is staggering.

I love how they're still measured in acres but as a fraction. I have 2.5ac and our truck is usually filthy. :)
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