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Post by tim333 »

esperent wrote: post #362
tim333 wrote: post #189

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>we'll only get them here once everyone in the west has been vaccinated three times over. Shipment of AstraZenca to Vietnam has started already. Wikipedia says 60m doses ordered "Including 30 million donated by COVAX Facility. Produced by SK Bioscience (South Korea)"

Ordered and promised is not the same as delivered. So far I think it's about 800k doses delivered - enough for 0.5% of the population - and the EU has announced they are halting Covax for now.

Yeah but there are quite a lot scheduled, I think from S Korea which should bypass the EU. Also Vietnam signed up for the Russian vaccine. Not sure how that one's going.

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Post by adrianN »

JoshuaDavid wrote: post #408
adrianN wrote: post #117

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How do you weigh thirty year olds that can't work or take care of their kids because they have chronic fatigue after Covid? About 10% of the milder cases still aren't fully recovered after six months. About 10% of those suffer from chronic fatigue.

Can you give me a citation on the "10% of the milder COVID cases still are not recovered after 6 months"? I haven't found any good studies on this, and the "milder" in your sentence implies that you not only found research, but you found research that breaks it down by infection severity. My google fu is failing me when I search for it though, so I would very much appreciate a link.

I read it in the news here https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/gesellschaft/longcovid-101.... (German unfortunately and no link to the original research...)

"Epidemiologische Studien zeigen, dass etwa zehn Prozent der ambulanten Patienten nach sechs Monaten unter Long Covid leiden. Von diesen Patienten sind wiederum zehn Prozent vom chronischen Fatigue-Syndrom betroffen, schätzen Wissenschaftler. "

At least the cited scientist is easy to Google, so you could ask her directly for the studies: https://solvecfs.org/carmen-scheibenbogen/

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Post by sgt101 »

rictic wrote: post #300
sgt101 wrote: post #289

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Really? They did a pretty good job of hiding a host of vast reeducation centres....

Did they? You can rely on your reader to know that you're referring to Xinjiang.

At this point - but these centres were revealed to the world (by journalists who are now kicked from the country) fully built and also full of inmates.

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Post by collyw »

graeme wrote: post #106
collyw wrote: post #96

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Governments can't control a virus. East Asia seems to have existing immunity or a genetic factor that means they aren't getting hit anywhere near as badly as other parts of the world.

I live in Atlantic Canada and we absolutely controlled it. So did Australia and New Zealand.

So very remote places that managed to close off contact with the outside world early.

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Post by flukus »

collyw wrote: post #414
graeme wrote: post #106

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I live in Atlantic Canada and we absolutely controlled it. So did Australia and New Zealand.

So very remote places that managed to close off contact with the outside world early.

No one closed off contact, quarantine is mandatory though. That only keeps it out though, most places have had outbreaks and had to rely on measures completely unrelated to their remoteness, like lockdowns and contact tracing.

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Post by alex_smart »

sudosysgen wrote: post #279
alex_smart wrote: post #163

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>In a representative democracy, you wouldn't lock down and force people to starve - you would lock down and provide income/food/capabilities for people to live regardless of their social/economic status. I didn't realize that being a rich country with a developed economy was a pre-requisite to being a representative democracy.

Providing food is far from something only developped countries can do. Very poor countries can and have done so. All you have to provide is food, shelter, and maybe a very small baseline of income.

India already has a very large and ambitious food subsidy program, which targets over 800 million beneficiaries and has cost running over 2 trillion dollars. The idea that Indian government can significantly expand its social security net in a year where it has had large unexpected out-of-budget expenditure thanks to covid and has simultaneously taken a huge hit in tax revenue due to businesses suffering due to lockdowns, seems, at least to me, based more in fantasy rather than economic reality. And then further to claim that India has failed as a democracy for that reason just seems childish hyperbole.

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Post by alex_smart »

sombremesa wrote: post #182
supernovae wrote: post #177

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It's not... in fact, I'd say other democracies with less emphasis on wealth at all cost, do it much better.

Hard to take GP seriously. India can even raise funds from various sources (see: PM Cares) if needed, to provide for these needs. They just don't want to, much rather line their own pockets than feed the poor (who happen to be their voting bank, but are too uneducated to vote in their own interest).

>see: PM Cares

Size of PM Cares fund was estimated to be $1.23 billion dollars[1] (from May 2020, the most recent source I could find). The size of India's food subsidy program is over 2 trillion dollars.[2]

So, PM Cares fund is less that 0.1% of the amount Indian government already spends on food subsidies.

>too uneducated to vote

What's the point of education when you form your opinions with such laziness?

Sources:

[1] https://www.indiaspend.com/pm-cares-received-at-least-1-27-b...

[2] https://www.financialexpress.com/economy/increase-pds-price-...

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Post by mFixman »

oblio wrote: post #200
collyw wrote: post #96

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Governments can't control a virus. East Asia seems to have existing immunity or a genetic factor that means they aren't getting hit anywhere near as badly as other parts of the world.

??? You do know that East Asia has been hit several times by local epidemics (for example SARS) and that people have gotten used - based on previous government recommendations/mandates - to wear masks? That same culture used to people wearing masks is obviously helping now. Governments can't completely control a virus, but they can definitely help curb its spread by taking effective measures. And one of that measures…

This is not just the people getting used to wearing mask. This is the government having an existing plan to actually combat a pandemic.

The response of most Western governments have been shambolic: here in the UK the government didn't start doing widespread randomised COVID tests until August, and even when they did the results covered such a big area that were practically useless.

For most of 2020 we simultaneously received news similar to "South Korea locks down this district of Seoul after a lot of people tested positive for COVID in a party last night" and "the UK government is considering a country-wide lockdown in the next few weeks because the amount of people being treated for COVID in hospitals". The difference in prevention infrastructure and planning were embarrassing.

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