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Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by yarcob »

pertymcpert wrote: post #308
yarcob wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, but you might need a longer power cable. Hope you don't mind an extension cord and a weird box dangling somewhere! But at least the computer looks sleeker now!

Isn't that a good trade off? Most people would love a better looking computer for their living room.

I can only speak for myself, and I hate power bricks with a passion. You need to find a place to hide them, they are annoying when cleaning, and they are annoying when you move devices (need to untangle not only cable but also power brick).

Why get an all-in-one when it requires attaching a box to it? I might as well get a Mac mini at that point (which still has a built in PSU)

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by codezero »

theshrike79 wrote: post #390
codezero wrote: post #162

Look how big the escape key is on that keyboard, finally, revenge for the touch bar! I like the direction Apple is going here, I assume they will have higher end iMacs later this year or early next year, and that's what I'll be waiting for. I'd like 27 inches of screen, at least 16GB of ram, but preferably 32, and that's about all I'd ask for. My current workstation is a 2013 27" iMac fully upgraded (fusion drive, 16…

> I'd like 27 inches of screen, at least 16GB of ram, but preferably 32 All this will come with the M2 chip either in the fall lineup or next year. Same time as the 16" MBP will transfer from Intel to M-series.

Curious to see how this plays out. I would have expected apple to just extend the M1 a little longer rather than jumping to M2 since the M1 is still pretty limited in its robustness.

I don't care what they call it, but I'll buy one :)

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

mort96 wrote: post #388
rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #323

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Yeah, it should go without saying that gamers and people who code are in a different class: hobbyists. I'm one of them, and most of the people on this site are too. We love our periphs. I have a wireless (mech) keyboard and a wireless mouse that both charge via usb-C cables, though it is something I filtered by when I was shopping for them a year or so ago in anticipation of this happening. I think Apple (correctly)…

I mean, now your argument has changed from "most peripherals use bluetooth so it doesn't matter" to "most peripherals use USB-A, but many Apple users will nonetheless tolerate the lack of USB-A on their desktops". I can't really argue against that, and maybe it's correct. EDIT: Just to respond to the "gamers and people who code are in a different class" thing: I went to a different store which is more general, went t…

I think we mostly agree, we're just splitting hairs over the word "use". I'd say my mouse "uses" bluetooth instead of USB, even though it does still technically "use" USB as well to charge, albeit very infrequently.

I am surprised that most peripherals do still use USB-A to charge, and my argument did change to reflect that new information.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by layer8 »

dschuetz wrote: post #35

Why the chin bar? The could have easily removed it now that there is no logo on it, and the logic board footprint is now next to nothing. Their design decisions are just plain weird. Also, why is there no black version? No network ports? No USB type A ports? Really?

> Why the chin bar?

Besides being iconic: To make the 16:9 aspect ratio less apparent. There may also be thermal benefits from separating the logic board from the panel.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by technosmurf »

frereubu wrote: post #237
codezero wrote: post #162

Look how big the escape key is on that keyboard, finally, revenge for the touch bar! I like the direction Apple is going here, I assume they will have higher end iMacs later this year or early next year, and that's what I'll be waiting for. I'd like 27 inches of screen, at least 16GB of ram, but preferably 32, and that's about all I'd ask for. My current workstation is a 2013 27" iMac fully upgraded (fusion drive, 16…

I can't see what the arrow key layout is on the narrower (non-numeric-keypad) version because a hand is over it. It looks like there's a big key where there would be space above the left / right keys on the most recent one. I've got one of the interim ones where the left / right keys are full size so it's difficult to know where they are by touch, and I'm still irritated by that. I hope they haven't gone back again.

The arrow keys on the smaller model are unfortunately full-sized (like the older Magic Keyboard 2).

I created an image gallery where you can see all 3 keyboard layouts shown in the keynote video today:

  - Magic Keyboard 3 (lock button)
  - Magic Keyboard 3 (Touch ID)
  - Magic Keyboard 3 (Touch ID and numeric keys, inverted T layout)
https://gist.github.com/spiritphyz/bac975617d513b5b4010a6828...

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by aphextron »

systemvoltage wrote: post #354
aphextron wrote: post #280

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>Look how big the escape key is on that keyboard, finally, revenge for the touch bar! Jony Ive's departure is the best thing to happen for Apple products in a decade. They're actually *gasp* listening to their users again. There's news that the new 16 inch M1 MBP's will even have physical function keys and more ports. I cannot wait.

iPhone 11 feels way better in the hands than iPhone 12 with its new rectangular design. It's night and day. Presumably, Jony didn't take the lead with iPhone redesign.

This one's pretty contentious. I strongly prefer the flat edges. It's one of the main reasons I've held on to my SE for so long. The 12 is the first phone I've considered upgrading to in years.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by layer8 »

vmception wrote: post #81

Can someone explain the 8gb obsession (edit: 16gb is possible, but why not more) ? is there a real limitation with this architecture or are they just making a business decision so they can sell multiple models over 2-3 years instead of creating what the market wants immediately

> why not more?

From the marketing, it's clearly a consumer-oriented device. Presumably there will be "pro" versions at a later time.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by aylmao »

cptskippy wrote: post #55
dschuetz wrote: post #35

Why the chin bar? The could have easily removed it now that there is no logo on it, and the logic board footprint is now next to nothing. Their design decisions are just plain weird. Also, why is there no black version? No network ports? No USB type A ports? Really?

> Why the chin bar? With a bezel less display you need somewhere to attach post-it notes.

IMO it looks pretty iconic. An all-screen look would've been very very cool, but I don't think this looks bad.

Also, I'd imagine with this design the motherboard, cooling and speakers don't overlap the screen. I wouldn't be surprised if it's just much cheaper to manufacture them this way, or if since this is supposed to have a beefier sound system and an M1 configured to run hotter, there were other considerations with having screen and logic overlap that would've added thickness beyond just that of the stacked components.

At the end of the day Apple is one to choose thinness over all other things, and to leave room for future upgrades haha.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by fastball »

brailsafe wrote: post #381
fastball wrote: post #103

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Planned obsolescence has never really been Apple's style (their devices generally get longer software support and have better resale value than anyone else). It's just about scale for the time being, probably. The M1 chip is now in 5 different devices. That is 100% worth not fulfilling everyone's RAM needs for the fantastic economies of scale and engineering simplicity that brings. They'll come out with an M2 soon en…

> Planned obsolescence has never really been Apple's style (their devices generally get longer software support and have better resale value than anyone else). I agree with the latter, but tell that to their previous default of 4gb ram and 120gb ssd (for so long) and 16gb of storage on iPads.

Not really sure how you can agree that the resale value is excellent and in the same breath complain about features of the device being somehow egregious.

Every single device ever made has to make tradeoffs. No device can be everything to everyone. Apple has (correctly) identified that RAM is really not the end-all-be-all that people obsessed with specs seem to think it is. If you spend more time working on other aspects of the device you can get away with less RAM and still have a device that people resell years later for good money.

Re: All-new iMac features the M1 chip

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Post by alsetmusic »

codezero wrote: post #162

Look how big the escape key is on that keyboard, finally, revenge for the touch bar! I like the direction Apple is going here, I assume they will have higher end iMacs later this year or early next year, and that's what I'll be waiting for. I'd like 27 inches of screen, at least 16GB of ram, but preferably 32, and that's about all I'd ask for. My current workstation is a 2013 27" iMac fully upgraded (fusion drive, 16…

> Look how big the escape key is on that keyboard, finally, revenge for the touch bar!

Worth noting, there’s also an option for a keyboard with a numpad and proper inverted-T arrow keys. I don’t see it pictured, but it’s an option.

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