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The internet didn’t kill counterculture – you just won’t find it on Instagram

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Post by abhinav22 »

airhead969 wrote: post #288
krick wrote: post #284

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That's weird. I mean, you do you, but if this is a popular opinion, I had no idea. On the contrary, I'm mildly annoyed when someone calls me to say something that could've said over the text. And I don't think of it as a personal preference: async information exchange is objectively less intrusive, which is why it should be preferred when possible (which isn't always the case, because it's also objectively less fluen…

Would you be content with chatbots, a sex doll, and living in an undersea bubble? If so (I doubt it), great, go for it. If not: don't answer, silent mode, or power off, or appreciate human contact when you do. If people are "calling too much," it's because you failed to train them how to interact with you. And, now you're resenting their assuming it was okay because you were too "nice" to be honest. Instead of mind-r…

I know you are downvoted, but what you said is 100% true. Maybe could do without the first sentence; but otherwise it’s spot on - if one doesn’t like talking on the phone for x queries, then they should be able to tactfully communicate this and others will appreciate it. Bottling it all and then getting frustrated that people don’t follow our preferred communication style is only our fault.

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Post by abhinav22 »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #406
airhead969 wrote: post #126

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"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

Telemarketers have really ruined phone calls. No one under 40 is using them anymore unless they're expecting a call from a potential employer--the only reason in the past decade I've ever "waited" for a phone call--and I'm noticing more and more job postings will reach out to you via text or email first.

I hate how they now automated it so they transfer you from a robot to a human when you pick up...

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Post by zamfi »

claudiawerner wrote: post #225
seniorgarcia wrote: post #194

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I can ship a 30 year old paperback of it for my personal use to my home for 60$, that is true. I'm not sure what else you are trying to tell me. Do you personally think that is a good offer?

I think it's genuinely ridiculous; academics working on really important topics for the current age, from society, to legal theory, to anthropology, to novel engineering are gatekept by publishers. I've wanted to read the full text to a paper I thought I will gain a lot from, something I can cite in an argument, something to enrich me and make me think. I can't do that, because I don't have access to the paper/book/w…

Everything you say is true, but an additional part of the problem is that books/papers/whatever tend to lag behind thinking and discussion by 1 to 5 years too. If you’re not an insider, it can be extra hard to have a voice in the conversation.

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Post by SyzygistSix »

aidenn0 wrote: post #408
SyzygistSix wrote: post #405

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That is ridiculous. Newscasters are far less polite and far more openly partisan, combative, and opinionated than they use to be. Comments on articles and videos, and in social media, are far less polite than people replying with letters to the press in the past.

Elon musk argued that calling someone a pedophile was within bounds of polite banter on Twitter and people agreed with him.

I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone they would say there was nothing polite about that exchange. By what definition was that exchange polite? None that are based in reality or relevant.

I'm not interested in arguing about the definitions of words.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

mrweasel wrote: post #386
msla wrote: post #293

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> Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. I don't exist at your beck and call. Text me and respect that I have a life beyond hanging on the telephone, or I don't care to distinguish you from the billions of autodialers who are the only ones still rude enough to make such demands on my time. BTW, cute misspellings. Little jugs got big ears, I suppose.

> I don't exist at your beck and call Well, no... but depending on context you might have to deal with it. Privately people can do whatever they want, in business, the customer gets to decide. I work as a consultant, if a customer prefer a phone call, then I pick up the phone. If I'm busy a co-worker answers. In a previous job I was the customer, and I refused to do Skype meeting, because I didn't want to spend 10 mi…

in business, the customer gets to decide

I found most of my business communications naturally moved to email. The few hangouts seem to mostly be time wasters, people that reach for the phone before they start thinking.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #379
helen___keller wrote: post #18

I think this is the biggest takeaway for me: > We saw this dynamic metastasize in the wake of George Floyd’s murder, when well-intentioned claims of “silence is violence” (recalling the powerful 1987 ACT-UP “Silence = Death” campaign) spiraled into calling out individuals with even a small following who hadn’t come forward with a timely public statement of solidarity or remorse. Yet public posts were subject to popul…

>n fact, I'd argue that mainstream social media can never be countercultural. I would say that is pretty much true by definition. Online countercultural elements are open source software and other collaborative platforms like Bandcamp and similar sites where people are trading tracks and what they have created. Torrenting is still countercultural. What the counterculture has in common now is that while the individual…

Online countercultural elements are open source software

Open source is mainstream now, even Microsoft are doing it.

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Post by aidenn0 »

SyzygistSix wrote: post #414
aidenn0 wrote: post #408

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Elon musk argued that calling someone a pedophile was within bounds of polite banter on Twitter and people agreed with him.

I'm pretty sure if you ask anyone they would say there was nothing polite about that exchange. By what definition was that exchange polite? None that are based in reality or relevant. I'm not interested in arguing about the definitions of words.

I think you are saying that mainstream culture has adopted rude behavior, while I am saying that any behavior adopted by mainstream culture is, by definition, not rude.

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

potta_coffee wrote: post #74
rsj_hn wrote: post #68

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Eschewing social media is not a culture in and of itself, anymore than eschewing the telephone or TV is a culture. But it is an attribute that some cultures have. Cultures have to be based around the actual ways they do interact, whether in person meetings via church groups, in person hiking groups, bike riding, falconry, camping, whatever. Similarly many people prefer to use person-to-person communication such as te…

It seems somewhat counter-cultural to not have social media and tv, though rejecting those things doesn't define a culture. I've had visitors to my house that realize I don't have a TV and they assume I'm some kind of judgemental weirdo.

I expect vegans get the same, I know getting rid of my car led to some people thinking I was the green police and they had to justify why they still owned theirs.

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Post by tryonenow »

great22221 wrote: post #347
__blockcipher__ wrote: post #270

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> because naked propaganda spam gets downvoted by the users This is simply not true, although I suppose it depends on the definition of naked. Here's some random examples - although like anything, whether it qualifies as propaganda depends on one's beliefs: - When the previous US president wanted to pull out of Syria, or at least scale down the activities there, a bunch of headlines to the effect of "[President's nam…

The GameStop thing was some trying to emulate the shitty behaviour of hedge funds and succeeding. The authorities had to intervene to stop these people. Even Robinhood had to disable trading for these people, otherwise who knows how long it could have gone on. The authorities are mum when the hedge funds do it. 'Changed, prayed, took stupid selfies' - let's not hide what they did. They had weapons. If an angry crowd…

>GameStop thing was some trying to emulate the shitty behaviour of hedge funds and succeeding

The narrative is that hedge funds manipulate prices downward to profit from shorts - this was an opposite effort. And when Robinhood suspended trades, all they did was freeze out retail traders whild institutional traders had time to run the price down and trade amongst themselves. It was shady given the alleged links between Robinhood and market makers and hedge funds and such. I really don't think anyone was being protected by that move.

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Post by 34679 »

airhead969 wrote: post #126
keiferski wrote: post #55

Charles Taylor, the philosopher, covered much of this about twenty years ago with far less snark and buzzwords. I strongly recommend reading The Ethics of Authenticity. It’s all about the trend of individualism and how it precedes social media by...centuries. https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674987692 Social media is no longer authentic so you’re seeing a slowly growing backlash against it. https://se…

"Antisocial media" would a truthful title. I don't even like texting. Email is a letter replacement. Call me and pickup when I call, or GTFO. Faceblock, Twatter, Instaglam, Discard, Snapper, TikTak, LinkedOut can all listen to the flushing sound of me deleting their advertising monetization. "Buh buh all of your Ivy and Pac12 associations that made you look important on a résumé." Too bad, I haven't talked to most of…

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