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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

gooseus wrote: post #351
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>People minimizing this attack and not treating it like a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis We're still getting groped by the TSA and wrapping up a war from the last time we had a 9/11 scale crisis. We were tricked into spending trillions of dollars and thousands of lives invading a nation that had nothing to do with it and we gave some of the less savory government agencies a lot of power which they still have not return…

I think there is a big difference between invading two countries and passing the PATRIOT act and the reaction we're seeing here. All this "hold on and let's make sure we're not being too unfair to far-right extremists" while they actively recruit and plan more attacks sounds like an under-reaction from a fear of over-reacting.

> All this "hold on and let's make sure we're not being too unfair to far-right extremists" while they actively recruit and plan more attacks sounds like an under-reaction from a fear of over-reacting.

I think it is right to be worried about the ascendant tech industry being able to quash certain ideas before they have a chance to influence voters at the ballot box.

Just this past 3 months, we've seen true stories about Joe Biden's son banned from posting on social media, anti-Biden news outlets banned from posting, and now the president banned.

I vote straight democrat pretty much every time, so that is where my leanings lie, but I'm not going to shut my eyes as wealth inequality goes over the moon in the past 20 years and consolidated platforms owned by the hyper-wealthy increasingly control what news people even see.

To me, it is entirely inappropriate to be blasé about this point.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by birdybird »

nickysielicki wrote: post #255
maurys wrote: post #57

While I understand that Twilio is probably not at fault for the actual leak, I'm curious if they gave Parler some time to migrate/shift before cutting them off from their services. It's easy not to care since Parler is the "bad guy" here, but I do think that Internet infrastructure companies need to give a reasonable heads-up before pulling the rug under business customers.

This whole ordeal really sours Twilio in my mind. Whereas AWS can plausibly claim that they don't want to host illegal content, what can Twilio say for themselves here? From Twilios perspective, providing Twilio's core product to Parler isn't any different than serving them to other platforms. They have no responsibility or liability. The lack of moderation on Parler is irrelevant when Twilio isn't involved with movi…

"[it] doesn't sound like something that a publicly traded company should engage in."

This is probably the easiest answer, perhaps even easier than anti-trust action or trying to define hate speech. Pick the worst offenders in this affair. Force them to clean up their act, or be delisted from any US-based stock exchange.

These aren't private companies. They are publicly-traded US companies, which have an entirely different set of rules and regulations.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by nfRfqX5n »

sanedigital wrote: post #221
nkrisc wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not gonna lie: I find it very difficult to be upset by this when the site was a haven for people who want to mass executions for people like me. For me, the world is a little more complex than "privacy at all costs." It's hard to decide where to draw the line.

Talk about hyperbole. In no way did even 1% of the population on Parler want mass executions for people like you.

here's nearly 1% of (4mm estimated active) upvoting something similar though: /r/ParlerWatch/comments/ktwmje/this_is_the_type_of_free_speech_parler_accepts/

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by Yetanfou »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #267
dieortin wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re referring to world war 2, axis engineers were in no way “mediocre”.

it seems unlikely anyone would be describing WW 2 as recent.

But it is, as is WW I. The latter ended 102 years ago and set in motion many of the technological developments which define our current world, WW II refined these to a level which is recognisable and often still useable today. Electronic warfare, programmable computers, jet-powered aircraft, nuclear weapons - all of these were used in WW II. Modern computers are faster, modern jets are more reliable and more fuel efficient, modern nuclear weapons are more compact and modern electronic warfare has kept up with the development of computers and electronics but as wars go WW I and WW II were the first - and possibly last [1] - "modern" large wars.

[1] - modern weaponry makes large-scale land war difficult to survive, e.g. the average survival time of a main battlefield tank is counted in minutes.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by gwbas1c »

dieortin wrote: post #120
gwbas1c wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a surprising amount of insecure code in the wild; and naive engineers who are willingly ignorant in their security practices. I'd assume that Parler's engineers motivations had more to do with politics than providing a secure platform for protecting dissidents under duress. (Or, if we look at the history of a recent major war, the mediocre engineers working for the other side thought they were the good guys.)

If you’re referring to world war 2, axis engineers were in no way “mediocre”.

And many smart Germans (engineers) left when they figured out what was going on.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by [deleted] »

jacquesm wrote: post #339
jaywalk wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the biggest attack on the US since 9/11 This is an absolutely disgusting and disgraceful thing to say.

No, it is factually correct. They said 'since', not larger than. In the meantime, since 9/11 there have as far as I know it not been any larger attacks within the US on the United States itself. If you know of any then please correct me.

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

jacquesm wrote: post #394
whimsicalism wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on the United States itself. What does "on the United States itself" mean and why does 9/11 meet that standard but not, say, the Pulse nightclub shooting?

The Pulse nightclub is not typically associated with being a seat of government, though I don't doubt that people in government have been seated there. On 9/11 there was a plan set in motion to crash a plane in to the Capitol, which only failed because of the bravery of the passengers in that plane. Incidentally, the very same Capitol self described 'patriots' broke into and vandalized last week.

> a legitimate 9/11 scale crisis

So what made 9/11 have large scale was the (thwarted) plot to crash into the Capitol and the successful attack on the Pentagon? Not the 2600 killed in the WTC?

This seems like a very twisted reading to compare two not-actually-that-similar events.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by bArray »

> Parler, a social network used to plan the storming of the

> U.S. Capitol last week [..]

I thought "huh, never heard that before" - checked the source [1] and it's essentially some people working at DRFLab speculating that it _may_ have been the case. So not off to a great start.

The links appear down to me, but if I remember correctly these were a series of links to Parler - which the website is now down due to AWS. So the "leaks" can no longer be downloaded. I also believe that the links were essentially all just public material from what I could find...

[1] https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/content-series/fastthinking/...

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by liminal »

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform.

[1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1346565749977051136

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