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Amazon, Apple and Google Cut Off Parler

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>But the essence of man is no abstraction inherent in each single individual. In reality, it is the ensemble of the social relations.

We should really fear the very near future in which it's so easy to assasinate a man by simply pushing a button and cut off all of his social relations.

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People on the left are mistaken if they think this is going to help. Someone somewhere in the country will plot something. We are playing with fire with these type of restrictions, root causes are not being solved. 75 million people voted for Donald Trump.

75 million people voted for Trump, but 75 million people do not support what happened on Wednesday. A good number of the people that voted for Trump voted for him because they didn’t believe the warnings from the other side about just how unhinged Trump is. And then they got to witness this first hand this week.

There’s still undoubtedly a large group of supporters who believe every word that Trump says, and who he can whip into a frenzy. And that group can absolutely do a lot of damage. But it’s nowhere near 75 million people would would be ok burning democracy down because Trump told them to.

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Relevant to this: Amazon has told Parler it's pulling the plug on its hosting midnight pacific time Monday[0].

I think big tech regulation might become the new bipartisan topic de jour as a result of this. Ironically, given past positions of the Supreme Court[1], I really don't see private companies being forced to host whatever content people what them to being a thing at any point in the near future, so it seems as though they'd probably be against anything conservatives have been demanding for as of recent.

This might be the rye talking at this point, but one of the preceding events to the civil war was violence in the house of congress[2]. Don't need to tell anyone about Wednesday's violence, but that did cause us to miss the almost-fist-fight on Tuesday[3]. I don't think we're headed towards civil war yet, but I think how the people that instigated the recent events are handled, by the public and criminally, will dictate that.

[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2021/01/09/amazon-...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colora...

[2] https://www.history.com/news/charles-sumner-caning-cilley-du...

[3] https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/01/07/congress-fi...

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post #146

I've read comments saying, "if you don't like Apple's policies, build a new smartphone." Are these people aware that that the same type of argument lead to the creation of parler: "if you don't like twitter censorship, build a new platform". It will be built. What then? At this point we are heading towards a complete mitosis of our information channels based on political ideology.

Orrrr the right wing could learn to not be complete assholes to the point where all their providers refuse to serve them

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The United States is done. The tools that this community is building to enable political censorship will surely come back to you. You can call this Democracy. But this feels like Authoritarianism. I'm so disappointed in Silicon Valley and those in the Hacker News Community that are stamping out free expression. Shame on you.

Oh boo hoo a company is being thrown in the trash because they encourage terrorism against elected officials.

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Everyone saying they deserve it for "facilitating attacks on the US government", ask yourself if you believe Antifa should be kicked off of every platform they exist on for burning police stations.

This is hypocrisy. Far too much of modern tech is held by companies happy to use it as a political weapon, and all for one side. I'm disgusted by the people who populate Parler, but I'm actually afraid of these tech authoritarians.

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To people frustrated by this move, I’m genuinely curious if you’d be equally frustrated if this was the booting off Amazon of a forum used in part (but not exclusively) to recruit ISIS members. Edit: I’d also love to hear if you were equally frustrated when ISIS and their recruitment efforts were banned from Twitter.

As someone who is frustrated by this, and who years ago also joined now-deleted FB groups where ISIS advocates shared propaganda, yes I am equally frustrated. I believe the value of preserving and maintaining open discussions on the internet outweighs the silencing of them for political aims. In the case of Parler, they do actually moderate some content, and I believe it is conceivable they would adopt a policy to ban violence, but it's too little to late now.

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There are quite a number of people on Parler promoting and quasi-coordinating literal assassinations.

This is a pretty good lesson on the parameters of 'free speech'.

If there is no moderation on a platform, people will use it to organize straight up murder.

So there 'must be a line' somewhere, and then it gets complicated from there.

(Edit: I don't mean necessarily a legal line on expression, rather, companies 'have to moderate' forums somehow.)

Also - a wrench in the logic - Twitter is still used by some 'very bad hombres' - Ayatollah Khomeini is still on Twitter and uses it to say some things considerably more outrageous and ostensibly violent than Trump ever has. So I feel that there's some hypocrisy here, Twitter could probably let go of him as well if they for their own reasoning believe that Trump has incited violence. I feel that we often use different standards for internal politics than we do for geopolitics (we often look the other way when people do stuff elsewhere) Twitter might want to reconsider.

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Where do we draw the line on how we censor the internet? Obviously actual terrorist group sites can and should be taken down, but this feels like it's getting more murky than that. - Should we be okay with Facebook censoring these groups? - Should we be okay with Google censoring search results? - Should we be okay with Apple censoring apps? - Should we be okay with AWS censoring websites? - Should we be okay with Go…

The government designating terrorist groups is a bad yardstick, because US law enforcement can only designate foreign terrorist organizations.

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post #274

This is an incredibly sort timeframe to expect someone to be able to migrate off AWS. If there infrastructure is docker, or K8 than they can move quickly, but if they are tied into more than a couple of AWS specific services like Route 53 or Lambda then a migration is a big ask.

There is no ask. That they are even getting a migration period is very gracious of Amazon. When the decision to ban was made, Parler ceased being a customer and became a liability - one that AWS would presumably try to get rid of as fast as possible. They have no responsibility to keep their services open for Parler.
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