Welp...that didn't take long. I expected something like this would happen in light of the recent changes over at CentOS.
More like some contract clause expired, triggering both events.
Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
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Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#412Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Ubuntu". It's widely accepted nowadays, it was pretty weird in 2004. I got my fair share of jokes in 2005-2007 from friends when talking about that "ubuntu" thing, and I'll spare you the examples.
The notorious local news story about a woman who flunked out of college because her laptop came with Ubuntu comes to mind. I think that was in the mid 00s.
For those who haven't come across it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qj8p-PEwbI
Quite embarrassing for all involved.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#413Earlier quoted context omitted.
CentOS don't have to have a specific feature to be preferred over RH. Being free in both beer and speech is important enough. People (incl. us) install 1000+ server clusters with CentOS. The absence of licensing fee allows us to buy more servers. The absence of licensing fee allows "small researchers" to have a verified platform to work with. If you don't have a verified platform, you cannot trust your results. CentO…
In 2020 why aren't you packaging your apps as containers? Yeah, it sucks that ibm killed centos, but depending on some single distro's version of libm or libc or whatever is not their fault it's yours. Doing your job properly in this case means shipping you deps with your application, and the easiest way to do that these days is with containers.. Christ; it's either the 90s or kindergarten..
Assuming based on GP that this is in a HPC environment, there is often a delineation between the people writing HPC software and the people maintaining the clusters and the software installed on them. Telling a brand-new graduate student with zero software development experience to just throw everything into a container results in running code that is not optimized for the hardware it's running on, which in turn negatively impacts the other users competing for compute time on HPC clusters.
There is a movement to incorporate technologies like Singularity into the HPC workflow but for established projects, it often looks like a lot of bikeshedding for negative results compared to just running the code on bare metal.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#414Earlier quoted context omitted.
Indeed, but most of us don't need support. We just need security updates, ideally for 10 years.
AFAIK there's a licensing tier for RHEL that gets you that - don't know how it compares to Ubuntu.
For RHEL Server (MSRP)
Self-Support: $350/yr Standard: $800/yr Premium: $1300/yr
Those are all starting points without including potential addons.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#415Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reminds me about how people don't even give CockroachDB a chance because of it's name. Every time it's mentioned on HN, people can't help but to bring up it's name.
I think Rocky is good. CockroachDB on the other hand is an awful name. Cockroaches are only associated with filth and are revolting to most people. Plus, you got that cock in the name which isn’t helping matters. You might think it’s obnoxious that people always point out the name without considering the product but tone deaf branding is a misstep and begs the question: what else are they screwing up if they could ge…
Living in a non-English speaking country certainly helps. Everybody around here is using `git` without realizing what it means. Same for CockroachDB.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#416Anyone believe that I will, at some point, be able to point my CentOS 8.x configuration at the Rocky Linux repo and just upgrade to it? That would be ideal. I realized GPG keys will need to be replaced, etc.
It is a planned feature, yes.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#417I'm so glad I build all my servers on Debian.
Me too. but unfortunately, not all 'corporate' software runs or finds all the libs on Debian based distros.. which sucks I know, because I too find this whole 'corporate blessed linux' thingy really unproductive. I work on servers used in VFX rendering pipelines and some software will simply refuse to properly run if I don't give it at least a CentOS. And if I do manage to get it running on Debian/Ubuntu, automatical…
Hello fellow VFX/Anim admin!
And yeah, even though we have the platform agnostic VFX Reference Platform, pretty much everything in this industry revolves around RHEL/CentOS. Except SideFX, they are a golden exception, and explicitly support non-Red Hat family distributions.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#418Can someone explain why it’s not exceedingly simple to clone the existing Centos concept? Isn’t all the code that does the builds, artwork replacement, etc all open source?
I would think that rebranding CentOS as Rocky is a rather trivial process of replatforming all the codebase and replacing any “Centos” with “Rocky”.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#419Earlier quoted context omitted.
First, obvious troll is obvious. Second, complaining that the "GNU" part is awkward to pronounce when it's a regular English word unlike Linux amuses me. Linus Unix to Linux will forever haunt free software.
Right, infamous copypasta... forgive the pedantry, but the English word "gnu" (referring to the mammal) is pronounced "noo", while the non-English word "GNU" is pronounced "gah-noo"[0], as OP correctly pointed out. 0. https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.en.html
My mistake, my memory of learning about gnus was so long ago it has been distorted by GNU.
Re: Rocky Linux: A CentOS replacement by the CentOS founder
#420There is going to be a rocky road ahead...
Why not just Rock Linux ? If you want corporate customers, use a corporate name.
To those who disagree, would you be comfortable telling your board of directors that you use "insert offensive word" Linux ?