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Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by andrewclunn »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

Hmmm, lies? Would you believe... video evidence?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8bBMXSXbWE

Alternative media is the ONLY way the truth gets out there. Calling them fake news, or promoting "official" propaga... I mean "news" outlets doesn't protect you from misinformation. That IS the misinformation.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by Trasmatta »

warlord1 wrote: post #398
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

There has been obvious evidence of voter fraud. Please see the videos of the poll workers running ballots at the State Farm Arena in Detroit after they kicked out the poll challengers from the room. I know many people will eagerly spin this evidence (and countless others) so I'll compound it with tangential evidence not related to voter fraud, per se. 1. Why hasn't Kamala Harris resigned from her senate seat? 2. Why…

If there is "obvious evidence of voter fraud", that sure sounds like something that should be taken to the courts! Hmmm, I wonder what all the Republican judges (some of which were Trump appointees) have had to say about all of the "evidence" that has been presented to them so far...

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by metalliqaz »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #406
GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly, ridiculously false), and has millions of people believing his every word - he's personally profiting hugely, while brainwashing them and whipping them up into frenzy. Also, I believe his forces should have all the best guns. Is that a reasonable rephrasing of your point?

the armed forces don't belong to POTUS

as much as the current occupant of the office would like them to have loyalty to him personally, they don't

still, Congress has given up too much control and needs to take it back

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by warlord1 »

howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

BASED.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by warlord1 »

dylan604 wrote: post #160
howmayiannoyyou wrote: post #110

We are very fortunate to have the algorithms, employees & management of Youtube/Google watching out for us. We're not intelligent enough to view a video and decide for ourselves what is fact v. propaganda v. entertainment. Hopefully some day we will have the same protections the CCP gives its people with even more content moderation. Thank you Google - you're the nanny the American people and the world always hoped f…

While the sarcasm is dripping, it's also true. There clearly are people that can view a video and realize that it's is 100% BS. Yet, at the same time, there are other people that will watch it and 100% believe it. If it wasn't effective, it wouldn't be used.

You: "Some people are just too dumb to think for themselves, so I guess we'll censor it all."

Me: "Sounds like a nanny state with extra steps."

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by sneak »

ryandrake wrote: post #326
rayiner wrote: post #23

This is an enormous overreach. > Given that, we will start removing any piece of content uploaded today (or anytime after) that misleads people by alleging that widespread fraud or errors changed the outcome of the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, in line with our approach towards historical U.S. Presidential elections. For example, we will remove videos claiming that a Presidential candidate won the election due to…

> These same claims are being made in ongoing court cases. Anyone can make any crazy claim they want in a lawsuit. I could probably sue someone today claiming the earth was flat or Elvis is still alive if I wanted to. Do we reserve judgment on these topics just because someone sued someone else over them?

> Anyone can make any crazy claim they want in a lawsuit. I could probably sue someone today claiming the earth was flat or Elvis is still alive if I wanted to.

And, yet, YouTube isn't censoring flat earthers.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by 99_00 »

GordonS wrote: post #400

I don't like what YouTube is doing. But... What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly , ridiculously false), and has millions of people…

>we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such

I think that mainstream news has been doing this for the past 4 years. Here are 3 examples:

1) Trump Russia collusion hoax.

2) Trump saying that neo-nazis and white supremacists are "fine people" hoax.

3) Trump recommending people "inject bleach" hoax.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by owlbynight »

This is Orwellian bullshit.

And I'll take it because I think the alternative is leading to a few greedy assholes using analytical data to successfully weaponize millions upon millions of uninformed people against logic and common sense.

Do we add restrictions to voting to weed out people who habitually vote anti-facts? No. Disenfranchisement.

Do we make fake news illegal? No. Censorship leading to state run media.

Do we have a civil war because it's so bad that people are being evicted and dying of starvation because their neighbors are being convinced by propaganda that they're less than? Hopefully not.

So we're kind of left with this option. We're stuck with speaking with our wallets through corporations because our voices in government have been corrupted.

It sucks.

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by singlow »

warlord1 wrote: post #398
singlow wrote: post #330

If there is to be toleration in the world, one of the things taught in schools must be the habit of weighing evidence, and the practice of not giving full assent to propositions which there is no reason to believe true. For example, the art of reading the newspapers should be taught. The schoolmaster should select some incident which happened a good many years ago, and roused political passions in its day. He should…

There has been obvious evidence of voter fraud. Please see the videos of the poll workers running ballots at the State Farm Arena in Detroit after they kicked out the poll challengers from the room. I know many people will eagerly spin this evidence (and countless others) so I'll compound it with tangential evidence not related to voter fraud, per se. 1. Why hasn't Kamala Harris resigned from her senate seat? 2. Why…

Not sure what this has to do with my post. I meant my post as anti-censorship. That education in critical thinking is the answer to fake news, not censorship.

But I am curious why Kamala Harris would be expected to resign now? There are several weeks until inauguration, and there may be several votes in the Senate or on the Judicial Committee between now and then. Why would she leave her position vacant for that long?

Re: YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread election fraud

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Post by dukeofdoom »

If we don't have a meaningful signature match, than we don't have a meaningful way to prevent fraud with mail in ballots. Period.

Bad ballot Rejection rate of 6% in previous election to now 0.02%, with mail in ballots. Mismatched signatures resulted in a rejection for only 0.02% of all absentee ballots cast. How is that even possible. They counted almost everything. For those of you that think its unfair to reject ballots. Well how do you verify that the person cast the ballot is the one that sent it in?

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