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2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by romanoderoma »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #387
romanoderoma wrote: post #378

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Just as testimony, it probably doesn't mean much, but bakcwards compatibility you either have it or you don't, there's no middle ground Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later The story is this: a friend of mine is a well respected illustrator and he has been a long time Mac user (at least s…

I've used Photoshop CS6 on both Sierra and High Sierra. It's ever-so-slightly more crash-prone than on older OS's, but totally usable. It launches on Mojave as well, so I'm pretty sure it works, but I haven't personally used it for any length of time. Catalina is what killed it. IMO, backwards compatibility in OSX/macOS was perfectly decent for a long time. Most software compiled for Intel that wasn't doing something…

Photoshop 6, not CS6

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Post by bredren »

offtop5 wrote: post #256
bstar77 wrote: post #215

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AnandTech isn't the only one providing benchmarks, they are rolling in from all over the place now. People are running 15 minute finale cut pro jobs and the fan isn't kick in on the macbook pro.

Any word on if Final Cut and Logic X are recompiled for Arm ?

FCP 10.5 dropped on 11/2:

• Improved performance and efficiency on Mac computers with Apple silicon

• Accelerated machine learning analysis for Smart Conform using the Apple Neural Engine on Mac computers with Apple silicon

Discussion: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-updates-final-cut...

Re: 2020 Mac Mini – Putting Apple Silicon M1 To The Test

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Post by mlyle »

offtop5 wrote: post #256
bstar77 wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AnandTech isn't the only one providing benchmarks, they are rolling in from all over the place now. People are running 15 minute finale cut pro jobs and the fan isn't kick in on the macbook pro.

Any word on if Final Cut and Logic X are recompiled for Arm ?

I installed updates a few days ago and the release notes say "support for Apple Silicon"...

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Post by TillE »

tomku wrote: post #220
goatinaboat wrote: post #75

1) Can I run VirtualBox on M1 (yet)? 2) What is the overhead of doing so with Rosetta2 vs native on Intel? 3) What is the situation with VT-X?

The answer to all three of your questions is "If you are worried about this, absolutely do not buy an M1 Mac." Rosetta 2 cannot magically turn VirtualBox from a virtualization management system into a high-performance x64 emulator. The long-term solution is probably going to be running ARM Windows or Linux in a VM and leaning on Rosetta-style compatibility/translation in the client OS to run x64 programs. Edit: Since…

Yeah, I figure the only realistic solution for my work needs (running a bunch of x86/x64 Windows VMs) is to do that remotely on a Windows workstation.

I probably won't buy an M1 anyway, but I'll be extremely interested to see what everything looks like when the M2 rolls around.

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Post by jb1991 »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #373
jb1991 wrote: post #327

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Just because it is locked down, why is that the same as "renting"? Those are two very different concepts.

Because you are not the ultimate decider of what to do with the machine. If you owned it, you could do anything outside of harm.

But renting implies you are continuing to pay money and will some day need to return it.

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Post by anoncow »

AgloeDreams wrote: post #399
anoncow wrote: post #389

Can AMD/Intel pivot to ARM and provide the efficiency benefits to the non-Apole ecosystem? Can Apple's M1X/M2 outperform desktop CPUs? Qualcomm tried their hand at desktop CPUs with Microsoft a few years back. Is it time they tried again? How comparable is a Surface Go with the performance/efficiency of M1?

AMD has tried a bit, Intel probably won't. You can still get great numbers on desktop x86 with better cores and processes. Zen 4 is perfectly good so far. Apple's M1 already outperforms most desktop CPUs, it goes to reason that a model with more cores and bigger L1 could outperform the whole industry. Surface Go is nowhere close, half as fast in single core, 1/5th as fast in multicore. The 5W TDP is really a generic…

Would the M1 with more cores be able to beat the threadripper at the same wattage? Right now the M1 stands at a score of 8000 Vs Threadripper's 25000. The comparison I am sure is not just about comparing benchmark scores, but is there a prediction possible given that the M1 is at a 24W TDP whereas the threadripper has a 280W TDP (A 3x change in the benchmarks alongside a 10x change in TDP)

Does Qualcomm or Samsung have a M1 beater in their kitty?

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Post by bitL »

romanoderoma wrote: post #378
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #292

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And that backwards compatibility may not even be necessary, given Rosetta's performance. Sure Apple is using lots of tricks, but if Microsoft or any Linux project could get even somewhat close...

Just as testimony, it probably doesn't mean much, but bakcwards compatibility you either have it or you don't, there's no middle ground Apple is one of the most capitalistic companies out there, they want you to buy new stuff and they'll try everything they can to force users to upgrade sooner or later The story is this: a friend of mine is a well respected illustrator and he has been a long time Mac user (at least s…

That CS6 issue was a major faux pas and a reason why many people stay with Mojave or are forced to use VMs.

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Post by electriclove »

GiorgioG wrote: post #385
electriclove wrote: post #374

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Re: Reversing course.. what will you replace your Macs with?

The iMac will be replaced with a custom-built PC. The MacBook Pros are another story. I don't know. I can't see me buying any new Intel Macs since they'll be phased out at some point. I've never had much luck with the Dell XPSes. I may give ThinkPads a look (I have a P50 at my current job which has been fine (if not for all the corporate antimalware slowing it to a crawl.))

Thanks for the response. I'm hesitant to move my family away from Macs because they have been relatively easy to support.

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Post by wmf »

hu3 wrote: post #74
mtgx wrote: post #8

It seems that Apple kept its eyes on the goal of beating Intel, while underestimating AMD (like just about everyone else). Still, now Apple has the #2 fastest CPU on the market and with different ISA. Intel....#3. Oh, how the mighty has fallen. At least AMD won't get to rest on its laurels now, as Apple will definitely try to surpass Zen 4, too, now, or at least Zen 5.

I wonder what will happen when AMD launches 5nm processors.

Apple will be releasing 3nm M3 processors that will probably still be faster.
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