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How about doing a thought experiment for a minute? Trump told what are generally considered incorrect opinions on corona virus prevention. Eg: Hydroxy Chloroquine works, masks don't and so on... His followers then parroted and posted these comments on social media and were promptly defunded, suspended and even banned for breaking Eula terms. Because Covid is serious and far too important to risk endangering others li…

Look for actual polls, the belief that HCQ works and masks don't are in minority among Republicans, same with most of them having never heard of Qanon, the proud Boys or the boogaloo (which is more a meme than what was depicted in msm) These positions are inflated by the MSM to make right wingers look like crazy lunatics.

Look at the polls huh? You must think I'm dumber than a sac of hammers if You think I'm gona believe another one of them.(tounge in cheek)

Most of the vocal support for political candidates comes from the minority of voters, on both sides. That doesn't change the situation.

The point is wether real or not there is a perception that powers that control social media are activist, woke or whatever other lable You want to give them.

These are private companies, right wing supporters do not believe in heavy handed government, so what else are they to do but find new venues to expresd their views? Do You realky expect them to just shut up and take it? That will never happen.

Social media is neither Left nor Right leaning, nor are the rules. But if the people enforcing said rules have bias, then problems arise, isn't that the point BLM was making about the Police?

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I'm honestly not sure how I feel about it. On one hand, I agree there is a positive to isolating the worst of social media off on a separate site. On the other hand, we're (maybe) just starting to see Facebook etc take some action on the worst elements of social media. This subverts that and makes it harder for Facebook to take further action in the future: shareholders will rightfully ask "what if you lose even more…

Inevitably these kinds of safe spaces for hate speech lead to hate crimes: https://www.wired.com/story/pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-ga... As long as the FBI are aware and can prevent these things, I suppose it's a nice honeypot, but if not then it's a literal weaponization of social media.

I actually hadn't thought of that side of it but you're right. This must be a good source to see what groups and where on the spectrum of "unhappy to planning sedition"...

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2020, or more likely 2016 will perhaps be seen as a turning point in the fortunes of the US Republic, when the democracy began to unravel, the law was used as a weapon against enemies, and the rule of law was replaced by mob rule with different factions warring in the streets. The parallels between the US at this moment and pre-war Europe or Rome at the time of the Catiline conspiracy are striking - the centre cannot…

Why can’t the dissenting States just secede from the Union? It is a democracy after all.

Even if it was made legally possible for states to secede, I doubt it would help much - we're all too mixed up with each other. The Bluest states all have a lot of Red in their more rural areas, and the Reddest states all have a lot of Blue in their biggest cities.

If such a thing were to happen, the states that ended up on each side would probably end up doubling down on the oppression of those in the other tribe who are still in their state, to encourage them to move to a state that's on their side.

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In mid October I deleted almost all my tweets and likes (but Twitter being so shit they are still showing my likes except it’s not liked anymore lol) and have not been tweeting anything anymore. I found Twitter too toxic, it made me angry with people for no reason, so I deleted all my tweets and the app. No more notifications, no more “just checking Twitter quickly”. I now go to Twitter like once a day just to have a…

Yeah, I agree. I still occassionaly read some people I follow on Twitter, but I rarely comment and never read notifications.

I also entirely stopped using Reddit for the same reason. IMHO it's even more toxic than Twitter.

And don't get me started about Facebook. What is it about politics that takes relatively sane friendly people who you've known for years and transforms them into raging psychopaths? When my own sister found out I didn't think Trump was a literal Nazi, she then proceeded to call me a racist, with all her douchebag "online friends" cheering her on. And before Facebook, we used to get along really well. But now it's like Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

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It's a bit like they're making a fantasy second reality where stuff like >All of the mechanical “glitches” that took place on Election Night were really THEM getting caught trying to steal votes. They succeeded plenty, however, without getting caught. Mail-in elections are a sick joke! is true. (recent presidential tweet). Not quite sure what the endgame is.

Neither side is being factual or unbiased.

There are now two realities as a result.

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Out of sight out of mind I guess... but meanwhile they're out there trying to shame you in front of your peers.

And you should care because...? This isn’t high school.

> And you should care because...?

Because your peers will only get their side of the story while they're criticising you.

> This isn’t high school.

Sorry not sure what you mean here. What does school have to do with it?

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We are censored every day. A newspaper editor censors their writers, your boss censors your reports, your friends censor your bar room bullshit by calling you out on it, your spouse tells you you will not argue with your brother in law again. But this is all implicit censoring - adhering to social norms through social signals (a raised eye brow, being told to buy your round and shut up) The thing is computers do not…

Just to expand a little

- If you are the moderator and both sides think you are biased, you are probably in the right zone.

The problem is do we as society, really want a handful of private companies deciding what the rules are - deciding for example if a Philipino politician can use FAANG to talk to his electorate (because the electorate is all on facebook, say de facto facebook are garejeeping this)

Society does not particularly want this, Zuckerberg definitely does not want this.

So we need to find a way to have regulations that deal with a set of poorly defined globally circumstances (Philipino election law as well as German hate speech laws), some areas of which are the companies problem, some are individual, some are societal and some a mixture. And we want those solutions to be technically achievable, auditable and not constrain us in the future.

That's quite a lot for a few thousand human moderators in poorly air conditioned offices to deal with.

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