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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by LMYahooTFY »

tshaddox wrote: post #307
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

> I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. The answer is pretty simple: these problems are extremely rare, they don't last very long, and they tend to have…

I agree with your point about it being a principle, although I would add that the decision to build a product in this manner is also a principle.

Furthermore, I would sort of disagree with the answer to why people would buy this. In terms of "most people buying a computer", the overwhelming majority of Apple customers are likely ignorant to this issue, and will continue to be.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by nbzso »

I don't care for downvotes:) Welcome to Jailbreak your Mac. Third time: I hate to repeat my self but this articles keep piling up. Vote with your money first, then if you have a way search legislative measures. They will never stop to search a way to profit more. This is just a beginning. Fully closed macs are coming. I don't care anymore for iPhones, my professional problem is with apple desktops and laptops. If we follow Apple logic in near future I will have to Jailbreak my personal computer that costs arm and a leg and cannot do 3rd party repairs on it. I am filling now very good about the decision to invest in multi platform software and avoid mac only apps. On a phone side someone suggested Fairphone (https://www.fairphone.com/en/) as an alternative. I can see a lot a value in this proposition, after rooting and removing Google crap/spyware.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Yetanfou »

auslegung wrote: post #164
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started panicking mildly thinking my drive was failing or something. And just before this, I finally managed to fix Spotlight pegging one core at 100% constantly. Next thing, I reboot into a laggy system. macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... it's basically an abusive relationship at this point.

> macOS is my favorite OS, but the shit I put up with... Idk, the several Linux distros I’ve used recently, and Windows, have a much longer list of “shit _I_ put up with”

Well, you're using the wrong distributions then. Use something stodgy but solid like stable Debian or a recent but not bleeding edge version of Mint and you should not have all too many things on your shit list. It won't be empty - printing will still trip you up every now and then, just like it does everywhere else to give an example - but it will mostly ' just work' unless you're trying to install it on truly exotic (as in "released this week") hardware. The overall facepalm experience will be comparable to that on Mac OS, better than that on Windows. Add to that the fact that it is free in every sense of the word as well as the glaring and welcome absence of draconic "features" like the one discussed in this thread and those Linux distributions will start to look very tempting.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by joncp »

merb wrote: post #218
loeg wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The URL mentioned in sibling comments suggests this has to do with certificate revocation (OCSP): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Certificate_Status_Prot... I agree that breaking system availability when an OCSP server isn't available is user-hostile and unnecessary.

actually I think the problem is not that it is not available, heck /etc/hosts fixes wouldn't work than. it's that it is unresponsive as hell, and they have no system wide circuit breaker, if it is slow.

If it were unreachable then the daemon would fail fast. A slowdown on the other hand just makes requests to the daemon queue up.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by ben509 »

outworlder wrote: post #302

Why the heck do they have to reach to central servers? Anti-virus software have been working with "definition files" ever since the dial up days. Check locally. Update when you can. This is a completely brain dead implementation.

You could absolutely use a simple certificate revocation list instead of OCSP. I don't know how large that would be, though. It could run into problems if there was a heartbleed like issue that required revoking many certs.

All the extra connections are enough of an issue that there's OCSP stapling, where a web server attaches a copy of the OCSP check to the response.

Seems like it'd be possible to inject a file into Cool.app/Contents/ocsp.staple in a downloaded .dmg.

That could be considered valid for a few days so that, for the common case of "download app and try it out", there's no need to phone home.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by kyzn »

trey-jones wrote: post #294

Appalling to be sure, but you can't even log into a Chromebook if Google auth goes down, unless I'm mistaken.

You can login to a chromebook (unless it's a first time setup) even if it's offline. Login stuff seems to be handled locally. Eg: if you update your Google password, you need to log in to your chromebook with your old password one more time and re-sync.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by thewindowmovie4 »

elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

I think it is because a lot of people still believe and repeat old trope which are demonstrably false these days. Despite having the worst keyboard, buying third party apps to have features which most of the other OS in the market provide as standard, more lock down of their OS every year, Apple fans continue to buy them. Appke's powerful marketing, which is full of weasel words, keeps them in their own bubble.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by thesuperbigfrog »

valuearb wrote: post #142
Lammy wrote: post #33

Maybe it's just me but the idea that my computer lets Apple (+ any LE organizations) surveil my app launches seems so much scarier than any malware.

Why is it scary that your computer checks for malware? It’s not like Apple us building a database of apps you’ve launched linked to your address and social security number.

It's only a matter of time and money: https://www.google.com/amp/s/mashable.com/article/apple-sear...

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by Swizec »

tshaddox wrote: post #307
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

> I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. The answer is pretty simple: these problems are extremely rare, they don't last very long, and they tend to have…

As an Apple user of 10 years: I had no idea macos phones home like this.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by phs318u »

horsawlarway wrote: post #256
elmo2you wrote: post #202

Sincerely and without any intention to troll or be sarcastic: I'm puzzled that people are willing buy a computer/OS where (apparently) software can/will fail to launch if some central company server goes down. Maybe I'm just getting this wrong, because I can honestly not quite wrap my head around this. This is such a big no-go, from a systems design point of view. Even beyond unintentional glitches at Apple, just ima…

People chose to use Apple because it seems like a benevolent dictatorship. And frankly, a benevolent dictatorship is basically the best government you can have, as long as you're part of the "in-group" who doesn't push boundaries, doesn't cause trouble, and supports the supreme ruler, Kim jon... cough* Apple. --- The problem is that no matter how good the dictatorship might be today, it will eventually bite you. You…

Speaking as an ex-Google user and an ex-Apple customer (still tied to Apple Music and iCloud for family phones), I'd compare Google to Russia - not particularly benevolent, a bit chaotic/random, citizens tend to shrug and accept their lot. Apple is more like Singapore, slick, seemingly benevolent, citizens honestly question why the rest of the world isn't run the same way.

EDIT: I'd add another way in which Google is like Russia and Apple like Singapore. Everyone kinda knows that Russia's leaders are a bit/a lot evil. There's still a debate about whether Singapore's leaders are evil.

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