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Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Re: Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by dheera »

michaelmrose wrote: post #397
acomjean wrote: post #382

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It’s very impressive. It seems like the open computing platforms where you have control of your hardware/ os are in real trouble. I use Mac at work, but Linux at home, if the hardware isn’t competitive....

- Mac has ~10% of the global market for end user machines. It doesn't now, never has, and never will own the market nor does it desire to sell cheap enough machines to do so. - Given that you can't add ram after the fact and 256GB is anemic the cheapest laptop that is a reasonable choice is $1400. - The cheapest desktop option is $6000 with an 8 core cpu or 8000 with a 16 core. - The average end user spends $700 on a…

> The cheapest desktop option is $6000 with an 8 core cpu or 8000 with a 16 core.

And also with RAM and SSD idiotically soldered in so 2 years later you need to spend another $6000, while a couple weeks ago I spent a grand total of $400 to upgrade my 2TB SSD to 4TB.

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Post by sooheon »

avalys wrote: post #380
torbital wrote: post #357

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But now they are locking down their software hard. So there is really no free lunch.

In what respect is Apple “locking down their software hard” with respect to these new Macs?

As a long time Mac user, the last few OS updated caused me to have to good some permission error or other just trying to run simple tools like emacs. They know they can't control the web and web apps, but they are making moves to lock down apps that run on their OS.

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

avalys wrote: post #380
torbital wrote: post #357

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But now they are locking down their software hard. So there is really no free lunch.

In what respect is Apple “locking down their software hard” with respect to these new Macs?

Its likely the end of the days of installing an alternative OS. Bootcamp support has been dropped and Linux support will likely not exist.

And then there is the OS which is getting more and more locked down so that you can not run unsigned software without increasingly difficult workarounds.

On one hand, alternative OS support on macbooks has gotten worse and worse over the last few years but it is sad to see the final nail in the coffin.

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Post by 411111111111111 »

bawolff wrote: post #406
acomjean wrote: post #382

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It’s very impressive. It seems like the open computing platforms where you have control of your hardware/ os are in real trouble. I use Mac at work, but Linux at home, if the hardware isn’t competitive....

If that was to pass, wouldn't linux just port itself to the new platform? After all linux supports powerpc and Motorola 68k.

They're locked down. You can install anything on it without apples permission.

Like secure boot, just without an off switch

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Post by josteink »

acomjean wrote: post #382
gjsman-1000 wrote: post #276

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OK... but let's say it's 95% there, even. How much power does an M1 draw compared to a 5950X? It's not even funny. And the M1 is running at a lower clock.

It’s very impressive. It seems like the open computing platforms where you have control of your hardware/ os are in real trouble. I use Mac at work, but Linux at home, if the hardware isn’t competitive....

> It’s very impressive. It seems like the open computing platforms where you have control of your hardware/ os are in real trouble.

Not really. The M1 may objectively and factually be a very good CPU, but it comes bundled with the cost of being locked into a machine with a locked bootloader and not being able to boot any other OS than MacOS.

And many people will find such a cost unacceptable.

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Post by karlshea »

dheera wrote: post #411
michaelmrose wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- Mac has ~10% of the global market for end user machines. It doesn't now, never has, and never will own the market nor does it desire to sell cheap enough machines to do so. - Given that you can't add ram after the fact and 256GB is anemic the cheapest laptop that is a reasonable choice is $1400. - The cheapest desktop option is $6000 with an 8 core cpu or 8000 with a 16 core. - The average end user spends $700 on a…

> The cheapest desktop option is $6000 with an 8 core cpu or 8000 with a 16 core. And also with RAM and SSD idiotically soldered in so 2 years later you need to spend another $6000, while a couple weeks ago I spent a grand total of $400 to upgrade my 2TB SSD to 4TB.

The RAM and SSD are not soldered in on the Mac Pro, which is the machine I assume they're talking about given the price.

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Post by ineedasername »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #270

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very treatable form of cancer

Nope, he pretty much died right on time in terms of median life expectancy for his form of cancer: https://pancreas.imedpub.com/prognostic-factors-in-patients-...

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Post by akuma73 »

zdw wrote: post #274

AMD's Zen 3 (Ryzen 5xxx series) are beating the Apple M1 in single core score: https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/singlecore As another datapoint Ian (of Anandtech) estimated that the M1 would need to be clocked at 3.25Ghz to match Zen 3, and these systems are showing a 3.2Ghz clock: https://twitter.com/IanCutress/status/1326516048309460992

Fake news. These are not Macs and are very overclocked PCs (Hackintosh).

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Post by ineedasername »

davidgould wrote: post #403
russler23 wrote: post #377

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Those seem unrelated to me? – a pro-vax fan-liker

Back in the 1980s I used spend a fair amount of work time in rooms with a VAX and can attest to their powerful and noisy fans. If you are a pro with a VAX, you had better be a fan liker.

I don't think VAX was the intended meaning in anti-vaxxer.
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