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Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by Igelau »

zarkov99 wrote: post #299
Loughla wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The implication is that, inherently, higher caste individuals were more gifted than lower castes, and that breeding over the years selected for those traits. You're confusing inherent trait with sociologically applied traits. In other words, there is no reason to assume there would be selective reproduction for ANY single trait in any of the castes, because your birth into those castes is random and meaningless. Unle…

I am not an evolutionary biologist so please excuse and correct any mistakes if you can. Lets assume there are some physical differences between the castes. These differences would have been brought into existence because at some point the respective populations were isolated and living under different sets of evolutionary pressures. If, over time, you remove physical isolation but replace it with cultural taboos aga…

That doesn't even make sense. The artificial pressure of "is this person's family from a caste that is comparable enough to our own that we can arrange for our children to marry" is taking priority over any other selection criteria. Whether you're right or wrong about the genetics of IQ is irrelevant -- you're fighting way too hard without realizing you're not even in that arena.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by travmatt »

forinti wrote: post #367
anonymousJim12 wrote: post #354

I'm not sure if this will be seen but I'm very curious to hear from Indian folk: I am the hiring manager at a well known software company that employs a lot of Indians on H1B visas. A while back I brought in an Indian person for a full round interview. This person happen to have pretty dark skin. On the interview team was a light skinned Indian person with a very Brahmin last name that I'd say is pretty average techn…

I wonder if a blind interview would help. Could you guess a person's caste through his accent?

If you are willing to presuppose the proposition that caste correlates to socioeconomic status (I have no idea), then a sufficiently experienced person probably could. There would probably be slang, mannerisms, or common sayings that would give away your background, just like most Americans of different socioeconomic groups have different behaviors

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by eruditely »

Just fyi there are non upper caste Indians, I’m Sikh so caste distinctions are forbidden for us. I’m a “Saini” my name is Ricky Saini and I’m not sure this fits with my experience as a lot of the people in my family(who are Indian of course) are not upper caste. I would be shocked to learn if this was true. Just so you guys know the modern Indian community not only Punjabi’s try very cars to be against caste. So don’t think we’re not trying or anything. We try really hard.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

nthacker wrote: post #388

At first I didn't believe what I was reading, since my experience has not been anything close to whats been described. Then I found : http://www.notablebrahmins.com NB Score, WTF: http://www.notablebrahmins.com/nb-score/

This is so funny at being racist.

> How do you know that So-and-So is a Brahmin? > How do you know he isn’t? And we do some research before we post.

I guess that just includes looking at the surname.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by tw600040 »

colinmhayes wrote: post #383
tw600040 wrote: post #366

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//How the fuck is a person's caste relevant? This is normal for you? I agree. It shouldn't be. But then it shouldn't be relevant during admissions too yeh?

How is growing up with extreme discrimination not relevant?

Depends. So who should win the 100 m olympics? someone who is fastest or someone who was discriminated against? Which team should win the football match? the team that scores the most points or should the background of the players be a criteria?

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

hawk_ wrote: post #382
KhoomeiK wrote: post #336

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Brahmins are ~5% of India's total population and another 15% are also considered "forward caste", mainly from warrior or mercantile subcastes. So yeah pretty significant overrepresentation.

This is based on very outdated census. The percentage of the so called higher castes has grown a lot since.

Right wing politics portrays that the percent is decreasing. Any source that it is actually increasing?

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Post by oh_sigh »

cvhashim wrote: post #152
mcv wrote: post #109

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It's important that companies are aware of this, take complaints seriously, inform their Indian employees that this is not acceptable, explain where and how to report this, and offer training to overcome these prejudices. And have clear sanctions: if someone does discriminate against lower-caste colleagues, and especially when they abuse their power against them (by denying promotion, keeping them away from prestigio…

This is why I scoff and roll my eyes at individuals who argue that tech is a meritocracy when discrimination between countrymen is happening even in companies like Google.

Who actually argues that tech is a meritocracy? The diversity/inclusion stuff that is glaringly in your face at large tech companies should indicate that it is not a meritocracy.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by sreevisakh »

flowerlad wrote: post #199

There are some areas of India, such as Bihar, where 40% of the populace cannot even read or write, let alone be educated. Such areas tend to be socially backward. Other areas are not that backward. Yes, the ancient caste system still exists in India, in the backward areas. But in other areas it is only relevant when it comes to politics, mainly. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/16/opinion/sunday/caste-is-no...

Privileged people just fail to see rampant caste discrimination existing in the entire country. The discrimination you are talking about is the overt one - like in cases where Dalits are prevented from using wells. But covert discrimination exists even in the most prestigious institutions in India [1]. The upper castes do not cite caste as a reason to discriminate, but use other reasons. That way, the upper castes can observe discrimination without being called out for being politically wrong. Lower castes are selectively branded as under-performing in academia, government and private organizations. Rentals are denied to dalits even in Bengaluru and Mumbai citing 'non-vegetarianism' [2] (an easy way to discriminate). And there are upper caste groups playing politics to deny career growth to lower caste people in almost every institution.

Denial of caste based discrimination is at obscene levels. The truth is that lower castes get discriminated against, even in urban areas, no matter what their credentials or merits are.

[1] https://theprint.in/opinion/brahmins-on-india-campuses-study... [2] https://livewire.thewire.in/personal/caste-isnt-just-confine...

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

dschuetz wrote: post #46

Isn't such cast system a violation of basic human rights regardless if it's institutionalized or not?

The world is filled with injustice however you look at it.

Here is one hard quote by Buffet: The ovarian lottery is the most important event in which you'll ever participate. It's going to determine way more than what school you go to, how hard you work, all kinds of things. The nation of birth changes your life much more than your effort or intelligence.

Re: Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians

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Post by hairband »

forinti wrote: post #367
anonymousJim12 wrote: post #354

I'm not sure if this will be seen but I'm very curious to hear from Indian folk: I am the hiring manager at a well known software company that employs a lot of Indians on H1B visas. A while back I brought in an Indian person for a full round interview. This person happen to have pretty dark skin. On the interview team was a light skinned Indian person with a very Brahmin last name that I'd say is pretty average techn…

I wonder if a blind interview would help. Could you guess a person's caste through his accent?

You can guess a person's caste through their last name
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