Oculus Quest 2 • Hacker News Board

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by dayaz36 » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:03 AM UTC

theptip wrote: post #340

Getting torn to shreds in the Ars Technica review: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/09/review-we-do-not-reco... Even excluding the hard requirement on a Facebook account it seems there were a lot of compromises made to get the price down.

Great review! As soon as I saw the price reduction I knew there were going to be huge compromises. Looks like I'll be sitting this one out. If FB want's to be the leader in VR, they need to get back to their roots the original Oculus team strived for - QUALITY.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by tomc1985 » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:09 AM UTC

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

What about Valve Index?

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by kichik » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:09 AM UTC

evan_ wrote: post #325

kichik wrote: post #84

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If it were truly just about the games, they would let you keep using Oculus login. Why else would they force you to use a Facebook login? If they only cared about store profits, logins wouldn't be required at all.

no idea if this is the reason but they are being pretty forward about banning malicious users (cheaters, creeps) and you can't do that effectively if you just ban the throwaway user.

Interesting. But don't you have to attach a credit card to buy and play the game? They can use that to identify repeat offenders and probably other things as well. Other platforms solved the issue without accessing my entire social graph.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by msie » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:11 AM UTC

tomc1985 wrote: post #412

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

What about Valve Index?

Don’t bet on Valve. They don’t have a killer business instinct. They take their sweet time to get anything done. Plus their Steam machine “console” idea was crap, anyone could see that from day one.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by blurbleblurble » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:12 AM UTC

shajznnckfke wrote: post #17

dylan604 wrote: post #9

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Facebook will makeup that subsidized $100 on selling the data the glean from the user while using the Quest 2.

Really though? Facebook makes money by displaying targeted ads to users. What data from the Quest is being used to target ads? I’m not familiar with anything related to this in Facebook’s product for ad buyers, and can’t think of anything particularly useful that they could be doing. You could think of Oculus as an effort to increase the amount of user attention inventory Facebook has in supply to rent out to adverti…

Biometric data can and will be used to analyze and predict people's behavior in unprecedented ways.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by CookieMon » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:15 AM UTC

tomc1985 wrote: post #412

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

What about Valve Index?

It costs 3 times as much and is tethered.

Price aside, tethered is a different market. I like powering VR with a gaming PC, but a standalone headset with inside-out tracking like the Quest is where the mass market / oasis will be.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by cwhiz » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:16 AM UTC

tomc1985 wrote: post #412

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

What about Valve Index?

Not a competitor to the Quest, but a compelling product in that category.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by rektide » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:33 AM UTC

msie wrote: post #414

tomc1985 wrote: post #412

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about Valve Index?

Don’t bet on Valve. They don’t have a killer business instinct. They take their sweet time to get anything done. Plus their Steam machine “console” idea was crap, anyone could see that from day one.

It's amazing how shortsighted & wrong one smarmy glib post can be.

Valve is kicking ass, leading massive technical charged doing great & fantastic work with none of the typical Service-as-a-Software-Substitute slimeware that everyone else keeps falling to. Great novel hardware with very high bandwidth & compelling input, best if not only useful end user drivers out there as we see with projects like Monado XR that are practically unimaginable elsewhere.

You're damned right they don't have a killer business instinct. They have a nurture protect & help instinct.

They aren't on inside-out tracking, not yet, they are building far more reliable open systems for outside-in, & that makes them more costly. But you know what you are getting & you know the raw data right out of the sensor is going to be great.

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by someperson » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:35 AM UTC

cwhiz wrote: post #404

Please, anyone, desperately anyone, literally anyone, please, for the love of god, make a competing headset that doesn’t have this deep Facebook integration bullshit. I do not want to see this become the Oasis.

At this point it's clear that Facebook have "won" VR. At least for the current generation that's mostly focused on gaming.

The original Oculus Quest is already really good, and was constantly sold out for almost its entire lifetime, and now Facebook are selling a near-4K resolution headset with a top-of-the-line Snapdragon XR2 for $299.

I have been considering starting an open firmware project for the Oculus Quest 2 (Snapdragon XR2), and too a lesser extent, the Oculus Quest (Snapdragon 835) and Oculus Go (Snapdragon 821).

All 3 headsets are Android-based devices. Clearly, most of Facebook's innovations have been deep in the stack. The sensor fusion involved in 6DOF tracking and the approach taken for Oculus Link PC tethering are non-trivial problems that have taken entire teams of people years of work.

It would be many man-years of work to reverse engineer and re-implement Facebook's work to the quality level seen in the Quest.

But it can be done, and it would mean liberating the best value VR headset hardware on the market.

A hardware platform that is poised to dominate over at least the next decade.

This is Hacker News. Is anyone else interested?

Re: Oculus Quest 2

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Post by rektide » Thu, Sep 17, 2020, 3:37 AM UTC

brainbag wrote: post #396

wlesieutre wrote: post #70

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Also check out https://www.vrdesktop.net/ for PC streaming, this option works wirelessly and performs very well as long as you have a fast and stable wifi connection. The version on the Oculus Store doesn't do SteamVR streaming though, you have to buy it and then sideload an alternate version (which still checks for a license from the store). There's supposed to be some sort of easier sideloading system coming (curre…

This is interesting, though I'm ready to move past the limitations of emulating real world single-screen setups. I want a virtual window manager where I can move and organize windows just like the desktop, but in 3D around me.

I too want a 50k x 10x virtual desktop.