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U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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The original poster suggested applying for a different visa that has a lower wait time for green cards. What precisely about this proposition are you objecting to?

I object to gaming our immigration system in order to get priority over people who aren’t gaming the system. Do you support gaming our system?

You're not going to get through to someone gaming the system at this level (which involves taking a big risk, btw) by using a 'Please'.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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> Guess how much time it takes to get a greed card? Atleast 100 years. I'm not joking. Unless there's a policy change, there's no possibility. Not disputing how ridiculous your situation is, but you do have a couple other options. The most realistic one would be to save up all your money and apply for the eb5 investor visa. If you're making 6 figures, you should be able to save up the required million dollars in abou…

> The most realistic one would be to save up all your money and apply for the eb5 investor visa. If you're making 6 figures, you should be able to save up the required million dollars in about 10-20 years, depending on how much you make, and how frugal you're willing to live. I'm an early career engineer, and this is something that a few of my friends have looked into. The number was 500k when I started working 3 yea…

> The number was 500k when I started working 3 years ago. It's now 800k. It looks like how much ever I work, the number will increase faster than I can save

The number was 500k for almost 30 years, without any increases for inflation at all. No one can predict whether it will increase again in future, but going solely off of history, there's a very good chance it will stay at the current numbers for a while.

> Unless I become a Carmack/Jeff Dean/famous inventor

I have personally met people who have successfully gotten the EB-1 without being nearly as successful as the examples you gave. If you're as successful as the average FANG employee, and have ~5-10+ years of work experience, you might have a realistic shot. I would recommend talking to some people who have gone through this process first hand, before dismissing it.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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> More than anything I didn't get a tech vibe in Toronto. I was at UofT and the surroundings all the time, yet it felt like the town is mostly devoid of tech. Not the same vibe you get in Seattle or Redmond or SV for that matter. Toronto is more of a finance town, with tech tacked on. NYC is similar. > May be it's my bias but Toronto doesn't feel all that multi cultural. Sure you see people of different nationalities…

One of the most diverse and mutli-cultural cities that I have lived in, is London, followed by New York City. I have lived in Singapore and Toronto as well but they don't match London or NYC.

I think I would agree with you. London and NYC have been immigrant destinations for much longer than Toronto has. London of course draws its immigrants from Commonwealth countries. NYC draws immigrants from all over.

Toronto's immigrants are much newer and Toronto's reputation for multiculturalism is actually only a few decades old (there hasn't been time for a deep multicultural identity to emerge). Multiculturalism entered the national conversation in 1971. In the decades prior to that, Toronto was very much still a stodgy Anglo-Saxon enclave, with Montreal being the multicultural hub of Canada.

That said, certain large global demographics are underrepresented in London (east Asians for instance, but not south Asians). Hispanics are underrepresented in Toronto.

I feel NYC is the only city in the world where most of the world's major demographics are on balance well-represented.

Singapore is actually not that multicultural (there are only four major races/cultures). I would say it's more international than multicultural, because the residual diversity come from people who are expats rather than immigrants.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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How's the weather there though? Can we just stop comparing cities? Everyone loves to complain about the cost of living in SF and always brags about how they could buy a mansion in the midwest. No one cares. It's all about location. There is a reason why California is the most populous state in the union despite it being so expensive (weather and jobs). There is a reason the population in the midwest is so low (lack o…

> How's the weather there though? Right this moment, they are almost the same (46F in SF vs 37F in Toronto). Toronto winter usually goes between 5F and 40F, but summer is way warmer than SF (between 75F to 90F vs 60F to 70F in SF)

There's plenty of snow in the forecast this week for Toronto. The same cannot be said about SF.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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The drop from 92% to 75% isn’t the complete story, or even the more important story. The real problem is all the other nonsense people have to deal with. We have a really great employee who single handedly wrote most of the company’s build infrastructure, and was happy in the US on his H1B because while it requires renewal every 3 years, he was well paid and enjoying his life. Until about a year and a half ago when h…

Was your company Infosys or TCS?

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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post #243

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> Goods generally cost less in SF. Milk costs ~$5/gallon USD in SF vs $10/4L CAD ($7 USD) in TO. I regularly pick up a 4 L bag of 1% for about CAD 4.25 (USD 3.00). Where the heck are you doing your grocery shopping, the food hall at Holt Renfrew?

For anyone not from Ontario, "4 L bag of 1%" must sound pretty funny.

Not as funny as a bag of homo.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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EB-5 isn't too realistic either, considering the wait time between applying and actually receiving a green card is ~10 years.

Can you clarify? The EB5 priority date for India is Sept-2018, so why would it take 10 years? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/visa-law0/v...

The visa bulletin is useful for past applicants, but is not generally helpful for current or recent applicants. The question current applicants should ask is: if I apply today, when will I get my green card?

Last year, the State Department (which runs the bulletin and has all the numbers) said[1] 8.4 years for India EB-5 until visa number availability. It then takes around a year to actually get the physical green card. So, 10 years is a good estimate for someone applying today.

1. The last slide of https://iiusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/IIUSA-2019-EB5-...

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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You mean if the govt could somehow assess quality? That would be nice if you have a good idea how to do that. But companies have two priorities: one is a high skill level and the other is lower pay. If we simply removed country caps from the current system then it would be dominated by certain countries with the highest pay difference. The smartest scientist in Germany would be waiting in line behind hundreds of thou…

A lot of countries have moved towards points based system. It deals with your level of education, level of experience, salaries etc. That could be a good start. And docking points based on where they were born should not be part of that. Also, smartest scientist will still get the priority via EB1 instead of lowly engineers who will get the EB3 category. This is already accounted for in the current system. so we are…

Even the smartest scientist would probably have better odds of getting in via the EB3 category than EB1.

Yes a points system is obviously better but can be manipulated, particularly in developing countries without consistent school quality. As soon as a process to get visas is created it becomes an adversarial game to beat the system. I wouldn't rate their degrees equal. India's "engineering" degrees, for example, in my view are more akin to associate's degrees in engineering technology or such. It's all multiple choice and cramming. Even if we ignore how easy such an approach is to cheat, it doesn't teach them useful skills anyway. So if they were really assessed accurately I wouldn't expect many from India to match graduates from Germany, apart from those who attend school in the west.

China has a lot more solid schools, at least in my area, though a lot of rampant cheating and everything else too.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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Except that if it goes on for too long, a bunch of people end up building a life/business/network/etc there. Someone up-thread mentioned that this is how Hollywood ended up on the other side of the country to New York. It seems pretty hard to argue that the US's current immigration policies aren't helping out Canada right now.

It's only hard to argue they aren't helping out Canadian companies' shareholders. Other Canadians' lives don't get better in obvious ways when yuppies move into the neighborhood.

I think, in the long term, their lives would get better. Their country would end up with more resources at their disposal, which (if we look at the countries around the world) seems fairly well correlated with quality of life of the inhabitants.

Re: U.S. immigration policy has been a boon for the tech industry in Canada

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A lot of countries have moved towards points based system. It deals with your level of education, level of experience, salaries etc. That could be a good start. And docking points based on where they were born should not be part of that. Also, smartest scientist will still get the priority via EB1 instead of lowly engineers who will get the EB3 category. This is already accounted for in the current system. so we are…

Even the smartest scientist would probably have better odds of getting in via the EB3 category than EB1. Yes a points system is obviously better but can be manipulated, particularly in developing countries without consistent school quality. As soon as a process to get visas is created it becomes an adversarial game to beat the system. I wouldn't rate their degrees equal. India's "engineering" degrees, for example, in…

> China has a lot more solid schools, at least in my area, though a lot of rampant cheating and everything else too.

China also has probably 1000x schools, so even by law of averages, there would more scientists coming out from there compared to Monaco. And I would leave that to companies to figure out whether a candidate is actually good enough to be their employee or if they "cheated".

> Even the smartest scientist would probably have better odds of getting in via the EB3 category than EB1.

I don't understand the point. I explained that. Anyone in EB1 gets here before anyone on EB3.

About rest of your comment, I never said two bachelors degrees should be counted the same. Having a masters or PhD in a US university or having worked at a US based company should count much higher.

Anyway, it seems pointless saying anything more at this point since you seem to have a lot of issues with the points based system but you fail to see any issues with the current system. Have a nice day.

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